SL3 stabilisation

[dimpfelmoser]

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Hey Leica peeps, I have a SL3 and an SL2-S besides a full fleshed Sony (a7RV & 9III) setup. I know that the stabilization of the SL3 is only rated 5 stops, but I have a hard time seeing a real difference to the stabi switched off. I can easily handhold the Sl2S with the 50 APO for 1/3 of a second and my RV with a 35 for a full second without motion blur. Also while looking through the viewfinder theres hardly any difference when half pressing the shutter on the SL3. Is that a possible bug or mirrors your experience? Cheers everyone

Edited September 13, 2024 by dimpfelmoser

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[Guest]

Sounds like you just have really steady hands. Try using a telephoto lens. You’ll probably notice a bigger difference. 

[Photoworks]

I can see a big difference with stabilization on and off at a 1/3 sec. with 50mm.

Zoom in to 100% view.

5 stops are plenty good. Better than any sony out there if you compare the results.

[dimpfelmoser]

As I sad, I own an RV and an 9 iii. Their stabi is much more effective. I can handhold 35mm for 1sec on the RV with 61mpx and do get pixel sharp results. With the SL2-S I can manage maybe 1/2 sec. But with the SL3 there is not much of a difference on/off. I will do another more scientific test series later this evening

Edited September 14, 2024 by dimpfelmoser

[Photoworks]

are you saying you want to compare scientists taking photos from a moving vehicle?

since you are doing the test, try some videos from the sony and the sl3, it is eye-opening.

[dimpfelmoser]

Nope, I just want to take a real series of a bunge of stills with different shutter speeds on/off in a scientific way (yielding a significant difference hopefully at least 2 stops). I am not into video.. 

[Photoworks]

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41 minutes ago, dimpfelmoser said:

Nope, I just want to take a real series of a bunge of stills with different shutter speeds on/off in a scientific way (yielding a significant difference hopefully at least 2 stops). I am not into video.. 

share some samples

[FlashGordonPhotography]

Do you have the SL3 IBIS set to *shooting only* or *always*. That would explain the EVF experience you're getting.

I don't have an A9iii. But I have tested extensively against my A7R5 and A1 and I see little difference between the Sl3 and Sony's. Usually the Leica is a bit better. What they say and what actually is varies wildly as each company seems to test their systems differently. The Sony's improve when dual IS is engaged (body and lens together) and the SL cameras don't support this.

Also, try the SL cameras in electronic shutter. The SL bodies exhibit mild shutter shock with some lenses and don't have EFCS. EFCS is the default on the Sony cameras and makes a huge difference.

Gordon

[Photoworks]

33 minutes ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

The Sony's improve when dual IS is engaged (body and lens together) and the SL cameras don't support this.

SL cameras do the same if the lens has IS, but there are no settings to customize it, the camera makes the choice for you when to use it.

with the 24-90 you can hold a 1sec exposure.

[dimpfelmoser]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb FlashGordonPhotography:

Do you have the SL3 IBIS set to *shooting only* or *always*. That would explain the EVF experience you're getting.

At least in the SL3 I have here, there is no such option in the menu. I can only choose stabilization on/off and which panning mode - normal/auto/horizontal/vertical.

[jaapv]

12 hours ago, Photoworks said:

SL cameras do the same if the lens has IS, but there are no settings to customize it, the camera makes the choice for you when to use it.

with the 24-90 you can hold a 1sec exposure.

Basically dual IS will shift to OIS with IBIS providing rotational stabilization. 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

14 hours ago, Photoworks said:

SL cameras do the same if the lens has IS, but there are no settings to customize it, the camera makes the choice for you when to use it.

with the 24-90 you can hold a 1sec exposure.

I've never seen any mention that Leica does this. Do you have a source.

Panasonic does dual IS. Not sure Leica does.

Gordon

[jaapv]

Nor I. In general Leica tends to lag behind Panasonic in stabilization and AF. 

[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

I've never seen any mention that Leica does this. Do you have a source.

Panasonic does dual IS. Not sure Leica does.

Gordon

I have to look for it, but it is explained many times in the video coming from Leica Wetzlar YouTube.

the only options are on and off, and the camera keeps adjusting IS with Dual IS when needed. When you mount on the tripod you can keep it on, because the camera can sense the tripod.

 

[SrMi]

19 hours ago, Photoworks said:

SL cameras do the same if the lens has IS, but there are no settings to customize it, the camera makes the choice for you when to use it.

with the 24-90 you can hold a 1sec exposure.

The max handholding shutter speed depends on the photographer as well. I do not believe that I could handhold 24-90 @ 90mm for 1 second and get all (any?) shots without motion blur.

[TeleElmar135mm]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

The max handholding shutter speed depends on the photographer as well. I do not believe that I could handhold 24-90 @ 90mm for 1 second and get all (any?) shots without motion blur.

... not even a "dead kitten"

[FlashGordonPhotography]

6 hours ago, Photoworks said:

I have to look for it, but it is explained many times in the video coming from Leica Wetzlar YouTube.

the only options are on and off, and the camera keeps adjusting IS with Dual IS when needed. When you mount on the tripod you can keep it on, because the camera can sense the tripod.

 

I'll kwwp an eye out for that. Usually you'll get two IS figures (IBIB and dual) listed if dual IS is a thing.Leica haven't done that yet.

I'll be in the store this week and seeing Nick Rains in twao weeks. I'll ask for confirmation.

Gordon

[Chun Chang]

I can reliably shoot 1/2s at 35mm on the SL3.  With the A7R5 I can reliably shoot 1/4s.  That is an improvement over the A1 which I can reliable shoot 1/6s at 35mm.  

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[dimpfelmoser]

Hmm.. this is really odd. It was really the first thing that I recognized immediately, the nearly lack of any stabilization compared to my SL2-S & RV. Maybe I should send it in for a checkup.. but then again if this takes several months... I tested it again, there is a small improvement with stabilization on, but it is maybe around a stop if any. And I have really stable hands.. with the RV I can handhold 35mm down to 1s in 8/10 and reliably down to 1/2s.

I just tested it again more thoroughly.. with the SL2-S and the 35 APO I can handhold 1s without any issues. 9/10 are tack sharp. With the SL3 I can hold 1/25th of a sec in 8/10, without stabilization I can still do 5/10. So, I am really not sure if the stabilization is working at all.. 

[Donald M]

Perhaps you could go to your dealer and ask for a comparison with their camera? Then you are sure if something might be amiss.