Did the May 2024 firmware update 2.1.1. solve your M11 freezing problems?

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Today I got back from a trip to Denver and just downloaded my images from my SD card. Prior to the update I would have roughly 1-2% of my images being unreadable. Today I had zero unreadable images. I didn't experience any of the upside-down images either, for what it's worth.

I experienced no issues with freezing or anything. The only thing I can say is that if I was too quick with trying to take a photo immediately after turning on my camera (M11-P), I would have to chill for maybe an extra quarter second. This isn't something that's upsetting me at all.

Overall: I'm very pleased with the update.

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[kiwidad]

8 hours ago, geoffc60 said:

Looks like a type 2 from the pics

I am curious on the card history! I don’t ever recall seeing a type 2 not labeled as such from sandisk! Could we be seeing issues related to counterfeit cards?

 

Well I am wrong, it seems they stopped putting the type on the label. 

Edited June 10, 2024 by kiwidad

[lct]

"Type 2" is when there are two rows of electrical contacts on the back of the card, no?

[EJS73]

Two days of event shooting over the weekend - zero issues. I have not been able to replicate the freeze I experienced two weeks ago.

[jonoslack]

21 hours ago, harmen said:

I can perfectly repeat my camera freezing over and over.  And I’ve found out which factors help and do not help prevent it.  The camera will freeze when I decide to format the SD card in camera, after downloading photos to my iPad using wifi, while the camera is still connected to Leica Fotos.

• A full write-over format using sdformatter does not prevent the issue.
• A full reset of all camera settings and user profiles (and re-establishing its pairing with my iPad) does not prevent the issue.
• There is no freezing when I only use internal memory and don’t have an SD card in the camera.  I downloaded photos and then formatted the internal memory while still connected.  That also causes Fotos to tell me that the storage has changed, but importantly the camera does not freeze.
• There is also no freezing if I tell Fotos to disconnect before I format the SD card in camera.

I’m not sure if this is any way related to other freezes that other users experience in different circumstances, but at least it is one clearly pinpointed bug.  Would anyone care to try and repeat this?

Interesting that

Are you downloading them to the gallery in Fotos, or to Lightroom, or to the device?

What happens if you don't do a download, just format the card when the camera is connected to Fotos

All the best

 

[hmzimelka]

9 hours ago, kiwidad said:

I am curious on the card history! I don’t ever recall seeing a type 2 not labeled as such from sandisk! Could we be seeing issues related to counterfeit cards?

 

Well I am wrong, it seems they stopped putting the type on the label. 

It's still there on the label.... it's just easily missed.

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[harmen]

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3 hours ago, jonoslack said:

Interesting that

Are you downloading them to the gallery in Fotos, or to Lightroom, or to the device?

What happens if you don't do a download, just format the card when the camera is connected to Fotos

All the best

 

If I just format the SD card in camera while connected via wifi to Fotos it also freezes.  Fotos will tell me after a while that the camera is disconnected and then that the storage has changed, while the camera itself gets stuck on the formatting and requires me to remove the battery.  The regular continuous Bluetooth only connection is not an issue.

When I did download previously, it’s the download to Fotos, which stores images in the regular Apple photos library.  I had not yet opened them in Capture One.

Btw, the card is a SanDisk Extreme Pro, 300 MB/s, V90 II, 128GB

What else can I share?

Has anyone managed to repeat the same issue?

Thanks

 

Edited June 10, 2024 by harmen

[jonoslack]

1 hour ago, harmen said:

If I just format the SD card in camera while connected via wifi to Fotos it also freezes.  Fotos will tell me after a while that the camera is disconnected and then that the storage has changed, while the camera itself gets stuck on the formatting and requires me to remove the battery.  The regular continuous Bluetooth only connection is not an issue.

When I did download previously, it’s the download to Fotos, which stores images in the regular Apple photos library.  I had not yet opened them in Capture One.

Btw, the card is a SanDisk Extreme Pro, 300 MB/s, V90 II, 128GB

What else can I share?

Has anyone managed to repeat the same issue?

Thanks

 

Just tried it:

1. Connect camera to Fotos over Wifi

2. Format SD card in camera

3. Spinning wheel of death on camera

4. On Fotos it says - storage changed

5. on Fotos it says Camera is not connected

6. Still have spinning wheel of death on camera

7. Switch off camera  . . both led on back and bottom flash

. . . . . . but then after a few seconds (20?) the light stopped flashing, and the camera turned on again normally

Does this last step happen to you too?

 

[Aperture 2]

14 hours ago, kiwidad said:

I am curious on the card history! I don’t ever recall seeing a type 2 not labeled as such from sandisk! Could we be seeing issues related to counterfeit cards?

 

Well I am wrong, it seems they stopped putting the type on the label. 

The card is new, purchased directly from the web site of Sandisk and never used in any other camera.

[elmars]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb jonoslack:

Just tried it:

1. Connect camera to Fotos over Wifi

2. Format SD card in camera

3. Spinning wheel of death on camera

4. On Fotos it says - storage changed

5. on Fotos it says Camera is not connected

6. Still have spinning wheel of death on camera

7. Switch off camera  . . both led on back and bottom flash

. . . . . . but then after a few seconds (20?) the light stopped flashing, and the camera turned on again normally

Does this last step happen to you too?

 

On the first attempt (IN and SD freshly formatted) the message appeared that the memory had been changed, but the camera did not crash and the connection was not disconnected.

On three subsequent attempts, an additional message appeared that the connection had been disconnected and the camera crashed - or it seemed to, because after briefly switching it off and on again, it suddenly woke up (significantly more than 20 seconds). It did not matter whether there were photos in IN and/or SD or not during the subsequent attempts.

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At least this is not a situation of high risk of losing the opportunity to capture a precious moment. 

[J S H]

Just a general observation - I have updated my M11 with every new firmware version since I purchased in Jan 2023. Generally, it has been very stable, with only a handful of lockups throughout most of 2023 and no problems with corrupted or missing DNG files  

Although the last two updates have delivered some usability improvements, they been very problematic with regard to stability. I have experienced frequent lockups while using the electronic shutter in both single shot and continuous drive modes. Switching to hybrid shutter seems to eliminate the issues, so that’s what I have done for now. I am writing to internal memory and using uncoded lenses. 

[hdmesa]

28 minutes ago, J S H said:

Just a general observation - I have updated my M11 with every new firmware version since I purchased in Jan 2023. Generally, it has been very stable, with only a handful of lockups throughout most of 2023 and no problems with corrupted or missing DNG files  

Although the last two updates have delivered some usability improvements, they been very problematic with regard to stability. I have experienced frequent lockups while using the electronic shutter in both single shot and continuous drive modes. Switching to hybrid shutter seems to eliminate the issues, so that’s what I have done for now. I am writing to internal memory and using uncoded lenses. 

What about with 2.1.1? It's unclear if by "last two updates" you meant the two before 2.1.1.

[J S H]

14 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

What about with 2.1.1? It's unclear if by "last two updates" you meant the two before 2.1.1.

Yes, I always update right away and am currently running 2.1.1 

[hdmesa]

18 minutes ago, J S H said:

Yes, I always update right away and am currently running 2.1.1 

Thanks, I'll test the electronic shutter on my M11M with 2.1.1 to see if I have the same issue.

[jonoslack]

2 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Thanks, I'll test the electronic shutter on my M11M with 2.1.1 to see if I have the same issue.

I will too!

 

[J S H]

9 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Thanks, I'll test the electronic shutter on my M11M with 2.1.1 to see if I have the same issue.

Yeah, I’ll be curious if anyone else sees the issue. I have always used the electronic shutter since I acquired the camera and it has never been problematic until these last two firmware updates. Sometimes it locks up after a few shots, or it may take a few minutes or occasionally may not lock up at all. There have been multiple instances in continuous mode, where it will just get stuck in a loop and keep taking photos until I pull the battery. 

[hdmesa]

16 minutes ago, J S H said:

Yeah, I’ll be curious if anyone else sees the issue. I have always used the electronic shutter since I acquired the camera and it has never been problematic until these last two firmware updates. Sometimes it locks up after a few shots, or it may take a few minutes or occasionally may not lock up at all. There have been multiple instances in continuous mode, where it will just get stuck in a loop and keep taking photos until I pull the battery. 

Wow, that is strange. That sounds like some sort of electronics issue, but who knows.

Have you tried a full reset with discarding profiles?

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[J S H]

1 minute ago, hdmesa said:

Wow, that is strange. That sounds like some sort of electronics issue, but who knows.

Have you tried a full reset with discarding profiles?

Not yet, but I will before long. I want to see if it’s truly stable with the hybrid shutter first. 

[hdmesa]

3 minutes ago, J S H said:

Not yet, but I will before long. I want to see if it’s truly stable with the hybrid shutter first. 

A reset and tossing the profiles shouldn't affect testing the hybrid shutter. If you're wanting to test the hybrid shutter under the specific settings associated with an existing profile(s), then just rebuild the profile(s). That won't do anything but make it more likely you'll have success testing the hybrid shutter stability.