Sl3: can it be set up to close the shutter when turned off and changing lenses?

[ccalberti1953]

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Can the SL3 be set up so that the shutter closes when the camera turns off, protecting the sensor? My M10-R does this, but my SL2 does not, so I have had problems with dust on the sensor when changing lenses in the field.  I would not consider an upgrade without the ability to protect the sensor while changing lenses.

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[jaapv]

I see this as a complete non-issue for the following reasons:

1. Dust that would accumulate on a closed shutter will settle on the sensor at the first actuation.

2. Removing loose dust is a one second job by a blower - provided that there is no shutter blocking the sensor

3. A shutter "protecting" a sensor is a complete illusion - a sensor is far more robust than shutter blades are.

4. Making a mistake when cleaning a sensor that has closing shutter blades will be very costly.

[Paul2660]

I thought the SL3 had a cleaning cycle which vibrates the sensor like most cameras with IBIS. Hopefully this will help. Sure has with my Panasonic S1R and GFX. Had hoped Leica would add this to the SL2 and S. Should not be a big deal just firmware. 
 

Paul

[Photoworks]

5 hours ago, ccalberti1953 said:

Can the SL3 be set up so that the shutter closes when the camera turns off, protecting the sensor? My M10-R does this, but my SL2 does not, so I have had problems with dust on the sensor when changing lenses in the field.  I would not consider an upgrade without the ability to protect the sensor while changing lenses.

If that is your concern I would stay away from the SL3. but it is ridiculous since it does not reduce dust on the sensor. I had it on the M11 and it does close when changing.

Keep in mind the sensor moves with IBIS, and there is a strong shake of the sensor for cleaning in the SL3 

[ccalberti1953]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

I see this as a complete non-issue for the following reasons:

1. Dust that would accumulate on a closed shutter will settle on the sensor at the first actuation.

2. Removing loose dust is a one second job by a blower - provided that there is no shutter blocking the sensor

3. A shutter "protecting" a sensor is a complete illusion - a sensor is far more robust than shutter blades are.

4. Making a mistake when cleaning a sensor that has closing shutter blades will be very costly.

While you may view this as a non-issue, others, including me, disagree.  Do you know the answer to my question?  Is it possible to set up the SL3 to close the shutter when the camera is turned off?  This is the default on my M10-R, which I prefer, but it is not possible on my SL2, which I find a problem when changing lenses in the field.  I do have this as a set-up option on my A7RV, which I use for wildlife/birds-in-flight, and I use this as I regularly change lenses in the field.   I had hoped Leica would offer this option in the SL3.

Edited April 15, 2024 by ccalberti1953
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[FlashGordonPhotography]

No. It doesn't. I would say yes as well if it was offered.

The shutter shake does work well. And so far I've cleaned the sensor once with swabs since I had it (pollen). Other than that a blower or arctic butterfly every few days seems to be enough. It's not as attractive as my M's are.

Gordon

[jaapv]

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4 hours ago, ccalberti1953 said:

While you may view this as a non-issue, others, including me, disagree.  Do you know the answer to my question?  Is it possible to set up the SL3 to close the shutter when the camera is turned off?  This is the default on my M10-R, which I prefer, but it is not possible on my SL2, which I find a problem when changing lenses in the field.  I do have this as a set-up option on my A7RV, which I use for wildlife/birds-in-flight, and I use this as I regularly change lenses in the field.   I had hoped Leica would offer this option in the SL3.

Disagreement does not create reality.
No, it does not nor is this needed for the reasons I and others mentioned.  
Nice idea for Sony. I’m sure that it sells cameras. Preventing dust?  I doubt it. As soon as the shutter moves the dust will fly everywhere, including the sensor. 

However, everyone has his own wishes and criteria for buying a camera. 

[ccalberti1953]

9 hours ago, jaapv said:

Disagreement does not create reality.
No, it does not nor is this needed for the reasons I and others mentioned.  
Nice idea for Sony. I’m sure that it sells cameras. Preventing dust?  I doubt it. As soon as the shutter moves the dust will fly everywhere, including the sensor. 

However, everyone has his own wishes and criteria for buying a camera. 

You must be a true believer in all things Leica.  Rarely have I seen a "moderator" so brazenly mock another participant for sharing a view different than theirs.  Another participant answered  my question with a simple answer, without all the vitriol so unbecoming of a moderator.

[jaapv]

Since when is disagreeing mocking? If anybody is mocked it is Sony for adding a gimmick to their camera.
It would be nice if you actually read my arguments (and others') and addressed them according to your opinion - which everybody on this forum is allowed to have, including moderators.

[FlashGordonPhotography]

It's not a gimmick. It makes a difference. And I could point out that Leica also have this function. Just not on the SL. So does Nikon as well as Sony.

Gordon

[AZN]

5 hours ago, ccalberti1953 said:

Rarely have I seen a "moderator" so brazenly mock another participant for sharing a view different than theirs

I don't want to start a war, but the beauty of this forum is that you can easily block posts from people.  When on a computer, hover the mouse over their name and you will see an "ignore" button appear.

Getting back on topic, I would also find the "shutter-closed-on-lens-change" feature useful. At times the dust situation can be so dire that I refuse to change lenses, even though I know it would improve the image. Modern zoom lenses are a god-send in that some of them almost approach prime quality at middle focal lengths.

Edited April 15, 2024 by AZN

[la1402]

I agree it is useful and would like Leica to add it.  We can always disagree, but lets do so respectfully.

[SrMi]

If I recall correctly, I do not think it is functional. It does have a psychological effect.

When switching from DSLRs (shutter closed when changing lenses) to mirrorless (sensor exposed), I did not notice more dust on the sensor. However, I regularly noticed dust getting on the sensor even when I did not change lenses. As @jaapv wrote, dust can get on the sensor once it gets in the chamber while taking pictures.

 

 

[Photoworks]

I just want to remind you of what you are asking, just because you saw it elsewhere and now you want it too.

I don't want dust either, but I don't care either way. I face the camera down when changing lenses, if I notice dust, I will take out my blower, if it is still there I will take care of it when I get back with wet wipes. and in capture one just click on Dust remove tool. On the M11 I still see dust.

The reason I mentioned it back in the SL2 update the FACE recognition box came into frame with a box over the head.
Everyone complained, it should be like sony and have an additional green box on the eye.
Well now we have it, and you can't see anymore if the eyes are open or looking at you. Thanks, everyone!

 

[jaapv]

On 4/15/2024 at 11:35 PM, FlashGordonPhotography said:

It's not a gimmick. It makes a difference. And I could point out that Leica also have this function. Just not on the SL. So does Nikon as well as Sony.

Gordon

My point is that it is a placebo and slows the camera down by an extra shutter cycle. Plus the added complication that it is easier to destroy a shutter than a sensor.

[jiggyb21]

On 4/15/2024 at 5:35 PM, FlashGordonPhotography said:

It's not a gimmick. It makes a difference. And I could point out that Leica also have this function. Just not on the SL. So does Nikon as well as Sony.

Gordon

The Canon R5 was the first camera to implement this feature as far as I know. At the time I wasn’t sure if it was a gimmick or not but after shooting for years with the R5 I can say it is absolutely NOT a gimmick. I shot with that camera for years and never so much as once needed to use a blower. Hundreds and hundreds of lens changes and no dust ever. I think it must have something to do with the fact that the shutter physically blocks the sensor and therefore blocks the static charge that attracts dust in the first place.  I went from using a rocket blower every single lens change to not even having to carry one. How someone could say that it is not a useful, time saving feature is beyond me. Of course every manufacturer has its strong suits and maybe Canon just nailed it on the R5. I am such a believer that I vowed never to buy a camera that didn’t implement this feature. I made an exception for the SL3 on the assumption they will add it later, as the M11 has it. 

Edited April 20, 2024 by jiggyb21

[jaapv]

The Canon R5 (and many other cameras) has dust reduction (sensor shake) which virtually eliminates the dust on the sensor. Nothing to do with the shutter.

[ccalberti1953]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

The Canon R5 (and many other cameras) has dust reduction (sensor shake) which virtually eliminates the dust on the sensor. Nothing to do with the shutter.

Respectfully, it has everything to do with the shutter, as many have attested above. For those of you who have purchased the SL3, I hope it is as easy as a firmware upgrade to enable this feature. I for one will stick with my SL2 until I see this enabled in a future SL camera. And I will use my A7R5 when I am out in the wilds shooting birds in fight and such and need to change lenses.

Edited April 20, 2024 by ccalberti1953
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[jaapv]

Shutter shake set the rest apart from previous Leica cameras. Not the shutter movement marketing.

In a placebo situation about 30%-50% will report a positive result. 

I don't use Leica either for birds and wildlife , it is Panasonic S. However, those don't  cover the sensor either. Despite that I never have dust problems in places like the Kalahari and other dry places. 

As said, dust on the shutter will end up on the sensor sooner rather than later. 

[Virob]

I came to L mount from Olympus m4/3. With the Olympus OMD, I almost never had to clean the sensor and it was a bit of a shock moving to the SL2. The difference is the presence/absence of the sensor shaker function. My conclusion is the Olympus implementation of this feature is very effective.

for those with both the SL2 and SL3, is there a noticeable difference in the amount of sensor cleaning required?