Chris W Posted August 21 Share #681 Posted August 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, lct said: Sure it is but it is not the only one, an even not the main one for some people. For them (us) the main point is lenses. No system can compete with the M for them. That was my point. There are multiple reasons why the M system sits apart from other small footprint multi-lens systems. But why would Leica choose to ditch the lens mount in order to make the M more similar to Fuji or Sony - they've already launched the Q and SL series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted August 21 Share #682 Posted August 21 1 minute ago, Chris W said: That was my point. There are multiple reasons why the M system sits apart from other small footprint multi-lens systems. But why would Leica choose to ditch the lens mount in order to make the M more similar to Fuji or Sony - they've already launched the Q and SL series. I missed it was your point sorry. I agree with you of course. We've got other wishful thinking dreaming of an L mount with an adapter on this forum. As if M lens users needed an adapter... Glad Leica did not follow this strange idea. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted August 21 Share #683 Posted August 21 1 hour ago, Chris W said: You missed my point. The point being that even though an M body is expensive, arguably premium, the massive choice in lenses at all price points is a huge selling point that would be completely lost if Leica changed the mount. In that case I agree 😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted August 21 Share #684 Posted August 21 3 hours ago, jaapv said: the Q is high quality compact. Compact? I would say lighter, but in no way more compact than an M with a 28 Summicron. I tried a Q and at the end of the day, figured it was easier to just carry my M around. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tseg Posted August 21 Share #685 Posted August 21 The M11 provided a lighter option than brass, and was well-received by many. How light is too light? Can you say “carbon fiber M12”? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 21 Share #686 Posted August 21 (edited) 8 hours ago, Chris W said: You don't think manual rangefinder focussing is one of the main factors distinguishing this camera from every other compact camera system? That’s an interesting point. On this forum, it is the decisive issue, and from experience it pron\bably is. But, curiously, when I bought my M9 (my first Leica), I had forgotten all about the rangefinder. I know that may seem strange, but it didn’t feature in my purchasing decision at all. My point, perhaps wrongly, is that potential first time buyers of M cameras really have no idea about rangefinder, unless as in my case, they had a camera like a Canonet when they were kids. For me, what attracted me to the M9 (I was looking for a digital camera) was none of your threee points. It was simply that it was presented as a camera rather than a computer - manual focus lenses with the shutter dial, aperture and everything else where it should be. Edit - and quality, of course, both of the camera and the lenses, compared to the Canon 5D2 I was considering with buttons everywhere and those hideous huge white lenses … Edited August 21 by IkarusJohn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 22 Share #687 Posted August 22 Advertisement (gone after registration) An OT bit about Leica vs Sigma lenses has been split off and moved into the SL lens thread. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted August 24 Share #688 Posted August 24 On 8/21/2025 at 10:07 PM, Chris W said: You missed my point. The point being that even though an M body is expensive, arguably premium, the massive choice in lenses at all price points is a huge selling point that would be completely lost if Leica changed the mount. Expensive? Very. The M11-P Safari and Monochrom are currently the two most expensive cameras on sale in New Zealand. The 75 Noctilux is the 4th most expensive lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted August 25 Share #689 Posted August 25 9 hours ago, Kiwimac said: Expensive? Very. I always buy older M bodies. Currently I own an M10 and thinking about upgrading to an M10R. I bought my Leica lenses in 1990. They are still fantastic. Recently I've added a few new Voigtlander lenses. When discussing leica pricing, people always talk only about the latest and greatest models. Buying an M240 and a used Voigtlander or Zeiss lens is very affordable. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 25 Share #690 Posted August 25 21 hours ago, Kiwimac said: Expensive? Very. The M11-P Safari and Monochrom are currently the two most expensive cameras on sale in New Zealand. The 75 Noctilux is the 4th most expensive lens. Phase One? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted August 26 Share #691 Posted August 26 10 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: Phase One? I’m not sure they sell that here. I can find a used one. I think it would be special order only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted August 28 Author Share #692 Posted August 28 I would like to see Leica a la carte. For example, I would be willing to pay €1000 extra to be able to modify the base M12 to show 35/50 frames only (regardless of whether I have a 35 or 50 lens attached), since I don't use the other focal lengths on the Leica M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted August 28 Share #693 Posted August 28 14 minutes ago, Smogg said: I would like to see Leica a la carte. For example, I would be willing to pay €1000 extra to be able to modify the base M12 to show 35/50 frames only (regardless of whether I have a 35 or 50 lens attached), since I don't use the other focal lengths on the Leica M. I would love an M12-D in silver, with engraving on top and a red dot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted August 28 Author Share #694 Posted August 28 1 minute ago, evikne said: I would love an M12-D in silver, with engraving on top and a red dot. With optional bottom plate?😃 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted August 28 Share #695 Posted August 28 I would pay extra for an a la carte M that actually wakes up instantly like almost every other camera on the market. Leave all the crap on the floor that takes up processing power and give me a digital M6. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted August 28 Share #696 Posted August 28 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Smogg said: With optional bottom plate?😃 I'm not that concerned about the baseplate. I would be just as happy with the new fixed bottom, and a USB port. Edited August 28 by evikne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted August 28 Share #697 Posted August 28 2 hours ago, evikne said: I would love an M12-D in silver, with engraving on top and a red dot. Solid silver of course😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted August 31 Share #698 Posted August 31 On 8/28/2025 at 5:27 PM, charlesphoto99 said: I would pay extra for an a la carte M that actually wakes up instantly like almost every other camera on the market. Leave all the crap on the floor that takes up processing power and give me a digital M6. Yes, that and the feeling of ‘fly by wire’ lack of reactivity with multiple shutter presses on single and running on when on multiple shot mode, I want it to feel like a sports car not a floaty 4x4. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeamosau Posted September 1 Share #699 Posted September 1 Starting to think the EVF M might be a good thing. Leica can put all the techy updates like ibis, megapixels, hybrid shutters etc etc in that and can bring the m12 back to a simplier rangefinder. More stripped back to something like the m10. Just a better battery and something that could actually help clean the sensor would be a nice upgrade. I’d buy one (or two even) if they did that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 1 Share #700 Posted September 1 17 hours ago, mikeamosau said: Starting to think the EVF M might be a good thing. Leica can put all the techy updates like ibis, megapixels, hybrid shutters etc etc in that and can bring the m12 back to a simplier rangefinder. More stripped back to something like the m10. Just a better battery and something that could actually help clean the sensor would be a nice upgrade. I’d buy one (or two even) if they did that. Relegating the OVF M12 to the same margins as the film based M cameras? If the M11-V materialises and is a success, I guess it’s possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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