M12 wishlist

[Ralf]

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Am 6.4.2024 um 14:50 schrieb tappan:

I am very happy with my M10-P
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Mark

Same here!

[Malabito]

1 - no freezing 

2 - an option to disable the new shutter mechanism. This constant liveview brings to me a horrible shutter delay/feeling. I rather have the old metering and have this shutter mechanism disable.

[Anbaric]

Autofocus and a new range of AF lenses compatible with the existing M mount, like Nikon managed with the F mount and Pentax did with the K mount.

Hybrid Fuji-style OVF/EVF, retaining the existing optical rangefinder.

Upgradeable to the latest technology, like Leica used to do until the 1950s, and as CEO Stephen Lee claimed would happen with the M8 before they fired him.

An open battery specification freely available to third parties so that they can continue to make them after Leica gets bored of supporting the camera.

Movie mode to annoy the purists.

A hard black finish that doesn't brass for 20 years.

Available as a kit with a collapsible APO-Summitar.

At least a third cheaper than the previous model.

Provide a dedicated raw converter like every other manufacturer.

Consider testing the camera thoroughly before release...

 

If they can't manage any of these, how about beinging back the nylon strap and rub protectors?

And a black dot.

[ksrhee]

This is very interesting.  I hope folks realize that what they are asking would make a M, not M.  The beauty of the Leica M system is it is a RF camera with all the traditional controls you would want.  Yes, there can be things that can be improved (e.g., higher magnification factor for viewfinder, better frame lines, etc.), but certain suggestions would make the M, not M.  There are many choices in the market, and why would I get a M camera, if it is no different from other mirrorless cameras.  Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, etc. etc.  all make great cameras and most of the time cheaper.   

Edited April 9, 2024 by ksrhee

[Anbaric]

29 minutes ago, ksrhee said:

Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, etc. etc.  all make great cameras and most of time cheaper.   

Leica would be terribly upset to hear that everyone else made cheaper cameras only most of the time.

[ksrhee]

2 minutes ago, Anbaric said:

Leica would be terribly upset to hear that everyone else made cheaper cameras only most of the time.

If Leica makes the same type of cameras as other vendors, they wouldn't sell many, and they would be upset.  Look at the sales of the SL series . . .

[jaapv]

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6 hours ago, Ralf said:

Same here!

Then why are you looking so sad on your avatar?😜

[lct]

Perhaps he's pining for 1.6.1, the Holy Grail of firmwares 😛

[Jeff S]

On 4/6/2024 at 3:53 AM, Datsch said:

 

• Only one frame line visible at a time. How is that too much to ask?

 

 

The frame lines are based on mechanical masks, not electronically generated, on all M bodies. 
 

Jeff

[algrove]

3 hours ago, ksrhee said:

This is very interesting.  I hope folks realize that what they are asking would make a M, not M.  The beauty of the Leica M system is it is a RF camera with all the traditional controls you would want.  Yes, there can be things that can be improved (e.g., higher magnification factor for viewfinder, better frame lines, etc.), but certain suggestions would make the M, not M.  There are many choices in the market, and why would I get a M camera, if it is no different from other mirrorless cameras.  Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, etc. etc.  all make great cameras and most of the time cheaper.   

Oh, believe me they know and don't care.

[Mr.Prime]

- lower the price

- a really much better viewfinder eye point for wearers of spectacles

- no IBIS, in fact no anything that requires design compromises, or might draw juice to reduce battery life, 24Mp is enough, so use these larger pixels with fine silicon geometry to improve the pixel performance with good full well, low noise, extended resistance to saturation like film

- engraved top plate, like the M3

- cover for the LCD so we can pretend we have a film camera sometimes

- shutter sound like an M3 (not M11)

- keep the weight down

 

I think you got my drift, I want a digital M that is good enough to pull me away from film. My wallet has yet to stir for any M camera made since the M4.

Edited April 10, 2024 by Mr.Prime

[charlesphoto99]

How about the M12-C model, C for confirmation? Confirmation your focus is right, confirmation your exposure is right, confirmation your composition is perfect, confirmation you chose the right lens, confirmation that you aren't an idiot for not buying a Sony for a 1/4 of the price because the M is still too complicated for you and yet somehow not complicated enough...

[Anbaric]

5 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

How about the M12-C model, C for confirmation? Confirmation your focus is right, confirmation your exposure is right, confirmation your composition is perfect, confirmation you chose the right lens, confirmation that you aren't an idiot for not buying a Sony for a 1/4 of the price because the M is still too complicated for you and yet somehow not complicated enough...

Confirmation the Moment is Decisive.

[pgk]

The M12 should be an M4 with digital sensor. Nothing else. A camera for real photographers.😇

Edited April 10, 2024 by pgk

[Datsch]

16 hours ago, Anbaric said:

A hard black finish that doesn't brass for 20 years.

Yes. Brass should be showing only when there has been really significant wear. My father's black paint Pentax S1 from 1963 has less brassing than some 2016 M-Ds I have seen ...

[colint544]

I'd be surprised if the M12 doesn't sport IBIS, whether we like it or not.

I've taken some of my favourite shots at night in fog, handheld, with my Ricoh GR3. I can keep the ISO low, the shutter speed can go down to 1/4 of a second, and the image stabiliser renders the picture pin sharp, with lovely smooth tonality.

At night, if I want to use my M11, I have to meet the twin requirements of both high ISO, and high shutter speed if I want to handhold the camera. Even with the lens set to 1.4. There's no avoiding noisy images straight out of the camera. 

I reckon the benefits of IBIS would outweigh the disadvantages - it would be easy for Leica to sell it as a feature.

[colint544]

Apologies for posting a non Leica picture, but I do it to make a point. This is a shot from my GR3. It's a crop from the full image. It was shot at 125 ISO, and at 1/4 of a second, handheld. It's pin sharp, and benefits greatly from near base ISO. I can't use my M11 in the same way.

It's not a complaint - I knew this would be the case when I bought an M11 - just an observation.

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[algrove]

I would like to see Leica bring out a reissue M3 next instead of an M12 since an important anniversary is soon upon us-70 years.

The big question might be how many copies? Unlimited although in limited supply like the M6 reissue? Or very limited like 70 copies or 170 copies with Leica turning 100 in what 2025 plus the 70th anniversary of the M3.

Will it be all brass like the original? Will it come in black too?

Interesting few years coming up. Don't rob your piggy bank too soon or you might miss something special.

[Smudgerer]

7 minutes ago, algrove said:

I would like to see Leica bring out a reissue M3 next instead of an M12 since an important anniversary is soon upon us-70 years.

The big question might be how many copies? Unlimited although in limited supply like the M6 reissue? Or very limited like 70 copies or 170 copies with Leica turning 100 in what 2025 plus the 70th anniversary of the M3.

Will it be all brass like the original? Will it come in black too?

Interesting few years coming up. Don't rob your piggy bank too soon or you might miss something special.

That would be a nice, welcome, news for quite a few people I guess though I do wish that Leica would seriously consider dropping the "Limited Special Editions" releases that invariably mostly end up going to the well heeled rather than spreading out to the less financially privileged of us Leica Crack addicts too....Like what went down recently with the 35mm Summilux re-issue in black that I would have happily bought if it was priced at or close to the earlier silver release, ( that yes I did buy ), essentially the same damn lens but more "bling" kudos for those that could shell out near double the readies..............But I guess those "editions" are cash-cows for Leica, so little chance of that changing.

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[algrove]

23 minutes ago, Smudgerer said:

That would be a nice, welcome, news for quite a few people I guess though I do wish that Leica would seriously consider dropping the "Limited Special Editions" releases that invariably mostly end up going to the well heeled rather than spreading out to the less financially privileged of us Leica Crack addicts too....Like what went down recently with the 35mm Summilux re-issue in black that I would have happily bought if it was priced at or close to the earlier silver release, ( that yes I did buy ), essentially the same damn lens but more "bling" kudos for those that could shell out near double the readies..............But I guess those "editions" are cash-cows for Leica, so little chance of that changing.

Heck that Black SR was close to 3 times the chrome SR reissue. That said, from what I understand the "contract" one had to sign before purchase meant holding the Black for 2 years, however if you wish to sell it before the 2 years Leica was offering around US$17k for it which they deemed would be the fair market value of the item in the 0-2 year time frame. Very curious sales technique IMHO.