M12 wishlist

[Smogg]

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1. A small (1mm) protruding frame on the body around the rangefinder window to make it less likely to touch it with finger and less likely to clean it. Or just a small protruding edge to the left of the rangefinder window (if you look at the camera from the front).
2. IBIS, but while maintaining the current camera size. Maybe it will be enough for the developers to extend the mount another 1 mm.

3. Eye recognition assistance in EVF similar to Nikon Zf.

4. Clickable joystick like the SL in the center of the circle with arrows to the right of the screen instead of the button

5. 5Mp Visoflex

6. Buffer for 50+ frames

7. Optional EFCS.

8. Speed up recording on fast memory cards or use 256GB of built-in, but fast memory.

Edited April 5, 2024 by Smogg

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[Smogg]

I'd actually like to see the continues drive mode back to the on/off switch, but I know a lot of people are against it due to random activation. I would just swap S and C from the M240 and keep just two modes without time delay mode

[Kwesi]

More capable  processor, CF Express implementation, 512mb internal memory, return of dust detection, one more stop of usable High ISO (12800} and just for the heck of it same size battery that's even more capable or at the very least lasts as long as the current one given that the wish list here will be even more taxing on the battery.

[Ecar]

1- No freezes

2- No freezes

etc.

[sometimesmaybe]

3 hours ago, Smogg said:

2. IBIS, but while maintaining the current camera size. Maybe it will be enough for the developers to extend the mount another 1 mm.

3. Eye recognition assistance in EVF similar to Nikon Zf.

would love to see IBIS and some form focus confirmation indicator inside the OVF

Fuji has just managed to wedge IBIS into the x100vi and my old canon film SLR has a focus confirmation light for manual lenses

[algrove]

IBIS by its nature suggests some type of a moveable sensor like in the SL3, no?

[algrove]

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3 hours ago, sometimesmaybe said:

would love to see IBIS and some form focus confirmation indicator inside the OVF

Fuji has just managed to wedge IBIS into the x100vi and my old canon film SLR has a focus confirmation light for manual lenses

Agree, it as been done, but as Leica will tell you its easier to do in an APS-C sensor camera versus a FF sensor camera. Then others will say well Sony has done it in the small A7R??? with 60MP sensor.

I suspect if Leica did do it then they would be considered an expensive Sony or Fuji.😉

[fenykepesz]

the smaller the pixels, the greater the need for IBIS - simple as that.

hence IBIS IBIS IBIS, and perhaps a form of focus confirmation indicator, as discussed in the past and as suggested here by @sometimesmaybe - i imagine a form of laser projection inside the RF window, something like what fighter pilots are projected at in their helmet or onto their cockpit screen.  red laser dots with focus peaking. or OLED pixels.

i used my son's IBIS-capable Sony A7iii for a few shots with manual focusing and focus-peaking, and gosh, does that camera provide a sharp focus ! i can only dream about such with my m10d.  nop, i don't think i have trouble using the m10d's metering field; and have no hand tremor yet as of today; and last, my m10d is perfectly calibrated for my 50/1.4. but i can't stop my heart beat for picture taking...

 

[lct]

1: Global sensor

2 to 99: IBIS

100: that's all folks, a Visoflex 3 a-la-SL3 would be too big i suspect.

[Smogg]

22 minutes ago, lct said:

1: Global sensor

2 to 99: IBIS

100: that's all folks, a Visoflex 3 a-la-SL3 would be too big i suspect.

I assume that matrices that use the Global sensor for the next few years will be inferior to conventional ones in terms of DR. I would prefer a wider DR. I also like the tactile feedback of the mechanical shutter. So I understand that the photo was taken

Edited April 6, 2024 by Smogg

[costa43]

Selectable single frame lines via menu

closer focusing rangefinder if poss

quicker start up time and wake time 

ibis

faster readout sensor

Stable software

[Datsch]

I don't care about any of this 'keeping up with Sony' electronics stuff. (If you have camera shake then use the amazing ISO to get a faster shutter speed ... IBIS won't help misfocus)

The M is fundamentally a rangefinder camera, but not much functionality seems to have developed in this core area over the decades.

So how about a rangefinder system with:

• Only one frame line visible at a time. How is that too much to ask?

 

• 0.5m MFD. This means that with a 50mm lens you have finally caught up enough to be on a par with every SLR/DSLR made since 1950. Pictures of plates of food, flowers, hands and so on are now easy.

 

• Some zoomability, eg wider for 21 or zoomier for 90 to fill more of the view

 

• I love the bright 1970s LED readouts but it is rather retro nowadays and surely there is scope for more digits and more info to be displayed?

 

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2024 by Datsch

[Henners]

Instant start-up,

IBIS,

Switchable metering (sensor based and reflective (not sure on the proper technical terms)).

Hard shutter press for continuous shooting (I suggested this to Canon years ago. I still don't think it's a thing on any brand but it would be great to have).

Edited April 6, 2024 by Henners

[Antonio Russell]

- Weather sealing and improved shutter sound.

- Lower price.

- Improved viewfinder glass that doesnt require cleaning so often.

- Make rear screen flush with camera body.

- Do testing prior to release and ensure the camera is bug free.

Edited April 6, 2024 by Antonio Russell

[jaapv]

37 minutes ago, Henners said:

Instant start-up,

IBIS,

Switchable metering (sensor based and reflective (not sure on the proper technical terms)).

Hard shutter press for continuous shooting (I suggested this to Canon years ago. I still don't think it's a thing on any brand but it would be great to have).

On Panasonic S cameras you can set the shutter to a single pressure point hair-trigger

[elmars]

Focus confirmation (green point lightning, when the center field is sharp) for those of us who love the rangefinder but have - sometimes - difficulties to focus.

[la1402]

1. IBIS

2. Focus confirmation

2. SL3 Colours/AWB

[Budfox]

4 hours ago, Datsch said:

I don't care about any of this 'keeping up with Sony' electronics stuff. (If you have camera shake then use the amazing ISO to get a faster shutter speed ... IBIS won't help misfocus)

The M is fundamentally a rangefinder camera, but not much functionality seems to have developed in this core area over the decades.

So how about a rangefinder system with:

• Only one frame line visible at a time. How is that too much to ask?

 

• 0.5m MFD. This means that with a 50mm lens you have finally caught up enough to be on a par with every SLR/DSLR made since 1950. Pictures of plates of food, flowers, hands and so on are now easy.

 

• Some zoomability, eg wider for 21 or zoomier for 90 to fill more of the view

 

• I love the bright 1970s LED readouts but it is rather retro nowadays and surely there is scope for more digits and more info to be displayed?

 

 

 

 

In my view, the rangefinder is sacrosanct and should not be changed, other than possible improvements in optics as per the M240 to M10 transition.

Edited April 6, 2024 by Budfox

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[Budfox]

13 hours ago, sometimesmaybe said:

would love to see IBIS and some form focus confirmation indicator inside the OVF

Fuji has just managed to wedge IBIS into the x100vi and my old canon film SLR has a focus confirmation light for manual lenses

See above - IBIS ok, but focus confirmation in the OVF is already available via the focus patch. Please don’t change the rangfinder.

[lct]

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Edited April 6, 2024 by lct