Leica SL3: 60 MP & Phase Detection AF

[SrMi]

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1 hour ago, Leslie22 said:

Am I the only one to notice the "video thing" on the side of the viewfinder ... OMG , that's ugly , what were they thinking (I'm a SL2 user)

It is more noticeable in images than in practice. I forgot about it while using the camera.

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[Leslie22]

Thanks , I hope that’s the case , but it seems so unlike modern Leica (well for me , as I have no interest in video)

 

[Virob]

1 hour ago, Paul2660 said:

With the SL2 Leica announced at product launch that MS would come later with firmware. The Panasonic S1R was already out and had MS. So far I have seen no mention of MS from Leica for the SL3.  Maybe the camera processor can’t handle the process in camera like the SL2. It sure can’t handle a fast frame rate with 4fps. The way the SL2 and S1R did MS was unique as all the work was done in camera and could produce very good results based on shooting conditions. 
 

Paul

 

Since the IBIS had to be redesigned to be smaller, could be that the new design isn’t compatible with multi shot.A compromise was made with new smaller shutter mechanism resulting in a reduced flash sync. The new sensor dust shaker sounds like an improvement. I miss that feature going from Olympus to Leica.

[hdmesa]

42 minutes ago, Virob said:

Since the IBIS had to be redesigned to be smaller, could be that the new design isn’t compatible with multi shot.A compromise was made with new smaller shutter mechanism resulting in a reduced flash sync. The new sensor dust shaker sounds like an improvement. I miss that feature going from Olympus to Leica.

In Leica Miami's live launch day video on YouTube, they discussed this. Yes, the new IBIS mechanism means the multi-shot firmware needs to be rewritten. The hope is it will be added in firmware later. They pointed out that the other SL cameras also did not have multi-shot at launch. They also encouraged everyone to reach out to Leica to request they keep this feature.

[Geoff C. Bassett]

A brief comparison with the SL2 (Note: adjusted WB and exposure slightly to match as best as I could) 

Leica SL2

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Leica SL3
Edited March 9, 2024 by Geoff C. Bassett

[tom0511]

Are you guys using multi shot often in real life?

I never did feel the need for it.

 

[LeicaR10]

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Tom0511,   I would use multi-shot on occasion when I really required the high detail.  Leica senior staff told the dealers 10 days ago at their Wetzlar meeting, some of things will be forthcoming in firmware updates.  Multi-shot was added as a firmware update with the SL2, etc.   If there are things photographers want, just drop Leica Customer Care a nice short email and ask for it to be added is what the dealers were told.  There are things like the lack of a charger in the box some are complaining about.  If they watched David Farkas at Red Dot Forum he answers a lot of questions about the charger, that being Leica followed Apple and didn't provide one due to EU rules.  The Content Certification wasn't added because the SL3 was developed before the actual piece of hardware was available as it was explained to those at the meeting as was David's SL3 video. (Mostly at the end) Personally, I am going to wait and see if there are any major bugs with the SL3 firmware etc.  I am product shy after experiencing the M11 firmware issues that continue...that caused me to go back to the M10-R/M.  The SL2 works just fine for me.  Others have different wants and needs.  Personally, I am not feeling "wanting or needy" with my AMEX card right now...LOL  r/ Mark

Edited March 9, 2024 by LeicaR10

[Smogg]

10 minutes ago, LeicaR10 said:

Tom0511,   I would use multi-shot on occasion when I really needed the high detail.  Leica senior staff told the dealers 10 days ago at their Wetzlar meeting, some of things will be forthcoming in firmware updates.  Multi-shot was added as a firmware update with the SL2, etc.   If there are things photographers want, just drop Leica Customer Care a nice short email and ask for it to be added is what the dealers were told.  There are things like the lack of a charger in the box some are complaining about.  If they watched David Farkas at Red Dot Forum he answers a lot of questions about the charger, that being Leica followed Apple and didn't provide one due to EU rules.  The Content Certification wasn't added because the SL3 was developed before the actual piece of hardware was available as it was explained to those at the meeting as was David's SL3 video. (Mostly at the end) Personally, I am going to wait and see if there are any major bugs with the SL3 firmware etc.  I am product shy after experiencing the M11 firmware issues that continue...that caused me to go back to the M10-R/M.  The SL2 works just fine for me.  Others have different wants and needs.  Personally, I am not feeling "needy" with my AMEX card right now...LOL  r/ Mark

I didn't expect such serious problems with the M11 and was stupid to sell the M10-R a year after purchasing the M11🥲

[LeicaR10]

Smogg,  You, like many others, myself included made a regretable decison.  You would not be alone if you decide to go back to the M10-R or M10-M.  r/ Mark

Edited March 9, 2024 by LeicaR10

[Tailwagger]

I haven't been paying that much attention, but I have to wonder if some of the missing feature content is down to L2 alliance issues.  Presumably there has been some effort expended to integrate the company's code bases.  I imagine a number of existing features could wind up being more difficult to include assuming there is some serious underlying rejiggering going on to unify things.

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It also just occurs to me that perhaps some of the M11's woes are attributable to L2 as well. Not for any code merging, but rather for the potential brain drain away from the M11 effort given L2 was announced only 6 months after that camera's introduction. 

Edited March 9, 2024 by Tailwagger

[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, Tailwagger said:

I haven't been paying that much attention, but I have to wonder if some of the missing feature content is down to L2 alliance issues. 

I don’t think so. The S5II sports hand held super resolution. The SL3 doesn’t, and super resolution was removed altogether. 

[SrMi]

16 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

I don’t think so. The S5II sports hand held super resolution. The SL3 doesn’t, and super resolution was removed altogether. 

I would not say the pixel shift was removed, but it has not yet been implemented. I hear here and there that it will come with a firmware update.

P.S.: On Red Dot Forum, it was said that Leica hinted that multishot will launch soon.

Edited March 9, 2024 by SrMi

[chrismuc]

18 hours ago, Virob said:

Since the IBIS had to be redesigned to be smaller, could be that the new design isn’t compatible with multi shot.A compromise was made with new smaller shutter mechanism resulting in a reduced flash sync. The new sensor dust shaker sounds like an improvement. I miss that feature going from Olympus to Leica.

Multishot only needs a sensor movement of half a pixel = 2um. IBIS needs maybe 1-3mm movement. So I don’t see why multishot should not be possible with an IBIS unit. 

[PeterBoyadjian]

Just judging by the crazy vibration dust sensor cleaning feature thing, this sensor moves.

I have a s5ii here and the IBIS performance is the same, I'm sure future firmware will really show what this camera is capable of. 

 

 

 

 

[Tailwagger]

58 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

I don’t think so. The S5II sports hand held super resolution. The SL3 doesn’t, and super resolution was removed altogether. 

Perhaps, but I dont think that tells us definitively one way or the other.  Assuming the code is shared now, it is just as likely that Leica's move to an alien Sony supplied sensor has resulted in the need for a significant set of changes to accommodate it into the L2 code base.  Wouldn't be surprising if such modifications were tough enough that they simply couldn't be achieved by the release date. Could be a factor with the reduced IBIS rating as well.  Dunno, all highly speculative. 

[mboerma]

12 hours ago, LeicaR10 said:

Tom0511,   I would use multi-shot on occasion when I really required the high detail.  Leica senior staff told the dealers 10 days ago at their Wetzlar meeting, some of things will be forthcoming in firmware updates.  Multi-shot was added as a firmware update with the SL2, etc.   If there are things photographers want, just drop Leica Customer Care a nice short email and ask for it to be added is what the dealers were told.  There are things like the lack of a charger in the box some are complaining about.  If they watched David Farkas at Red Dot Forum he answers a lot of questions about the charger, that being Leica followed Apple and didn't provide one due to EU rules.  The Content Certification wasn't added because the SL3 was developed before the actual piece of hardware was available as it was explained to those at the meeting as was David's SL3 video. (Mostly at the end) Personally, I am going to wait and see if there are any major bugs with the SL3 firmware etc.  I am product shy after experiencing the M11 firmware issues that continue...that caused me to go back to the M10-R/M.  The SL2 works just fine for me.  Others have different wants and needs.  Personally, I am not feeling "wanting or needy" with my AMEX card right now...LOL  r/ Mark

David Farkas is incorrect with his comparison with Apple re the charger. Apple doesn’t include a power adapter / converter. These are generic pieces of hardware. What Leica is omitting is a Leica battery specific device to put your battery in to charge it. With the SL2 charger is also included the power converter. This has now been split into two separate parts by Leica, as with the M11. Leica should have included something similar to that. It doesn’t have anything to do with EU rules, either. 

 

[MarkP]

I think it is outrageous that Leica doesn’t provide a charger.

This anrgument  about using one’s older SL or Q chargers is specious. Not everyone has one and if upgrading it is sold with the old camera.  Furthermore, one should now be able to charge one battery in camera and one in charger.

I happen to have a Nitecore charger for my SL2 but often travel with the Leica charger as well so I can charge more quickly charge two batteries. 

 

This is just crap ripping off consumers. A new low.
LEICA-ARE YOU LISTENING?

Edited March 9, 2024 by MarkP

[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, mboerma said:

With the SL2 charger is also included the power converter. This has now been split into two separate parts by Leica, as with the M11. Leica should have included something similar to that. It doesn’t have anything to do with EU rules, either. 

almost correct

The new charger "dock" is USB-C and you can use many USB-C chargers, there is no more AC adapter in since it is handled from the USC-C charger.

Leica sales one set of Battery, international Charger and Dock + cable for $500
You can buy the Dual Dock only for $220

They should have included a simple USB-C dock in the box!

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[Photoworks]

2 minutes ago, MarkP said:

I happen to have a Nitecore charger for my SL2 but often travel with the Leica charger so I can charge more quickly charge two batteries.  With the SL2 one should also now have the opportunity of charging two batteries at once - in camera and charger if need be.

2 Nitecore charger $100 can do that too.

The new dual charger still takes 2.5h to 80%.  Charging in camera will be a little faster

[Aram Langhans]

23 hours ago, Geoff C. Bassett said:

A brief comparison with the SL2 (Note: adjusted WB and exposure slightly to match as best as I could) 

Leica SL2

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Leica SL3

Looks like he is smiling a bit more in the SL2 shot.  The SL2 must still be superior.