New challenger : X100 VI vs Q3 in 35mm crop mode

[tom.w.bn]

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vor 5 Stunden schrieb Olaf_ZG:

Why is it strange? The x100 series is a great camera and deserve its audience. As much as the Q or a M. 

The made up hype is strange to me. Early "leaks" to the rumour websites to stir the pot. Fuji has more early information out than any other camera maker. This leads to bizarre situations that shops alredy have preorders before the camera is even announced. The shop of a friend of mine had a significant amount of preorders 2-3 weeks before the release. This happens with no other camera / camera maker (in the non luxury segment) and is more effort for the shops because the potential buyers call in for delivery dates again and again when the shop does not even know, when the first camera will arrive. All because of this hype....

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[phoenix96]

I'm one of those people cross-shopping the X100 and the Q3.

My "primary" camera is an R5, but it's bulkier than I want for travel. For years my secondary camera has been an X100. First an X100F and then the X100V. The Fujis take very nice photos but I've never been completely satisfied with them (and for some reason I never "connected" with the X100V as much as I had with the earlier X100F). I want full-frame. But for my travel camera I don't want the extra size of interchangeable lenses - I've got the R5 for when I want to carry a full kit.

So now I've got a Q3 on order, and an X100VI on preorder, and I'm still trying to decide which to keep. I worry a bit that the Q3 will be bigger and heavier than I want, but it's not like I carried the X100 in a pocket anyway. In addition to, obviously, the larger sensor, the extra flexibility of the Q3 (the wider lens, wider aperture, higher resolution) is very enticing.

[liggy]

2 hours ago, tom.w.bn said:

The made up hype is strange to me. Early "leaks" to the rumour websites to stir the pot. Fuji has more early information out than any other camera maker. This leads to bizarre situations that shops alredy have preorders before the camera is even announced. The shop of a friend of mine had a significant amount of preorders 2-3 weeks before the release. This happens with no other camera / camera maker (in the non luxury segment) and is more effort for the shops because the potential buyers call in for delivery dates again and again when the shop does not even know, when the first camera will arrive. All because of this hype....

I preordered my Q2 Reporter well in advance.  Is that a bad thing?  I think my dealer was pretty happy to have a $6K deal on the books long before he even got the product.  
 

Given that “real” camera market is shrinking I am happy whenever a maker has a hit even if it isn’t a camera I would buy.    
 

Do you feel the same way about the 911 GT3 Touring?  

Edited February 26, 2024 by liggy

[JTLeica]

21 hours ago, tom.w.bn said:

With every Fuji X100 model there were threads in forums about a new Leica contender / challenger / whatever.. No surpise this happens for the 6th time now.

Again the made up hype around this model is strange.

 

I dont think its strange at all, it is exciting that there is a new X100, with some great upgrades too, sensor, EVF, IBIS and flippy screen.

Having owned every X100 apart from the first and the V I can confirm they are lovely, but nowhere near as well made as the Q series.

However, what do you expect at 1/3 of the price.

[JTLeica]

Its a solid camera by the looks of it, I would actually buy one to take with my when only a mall camera is warranted, or to places where a Q3 may be a little to much / worried about losing or breaking it. But the XTrans sensor has never been my favourite as the results from Adobe were never as good as other RAW developers... if Adobe was as good as others I would consider, as I cannot be bothered to change my workflow at all.

Iridient used to have a plug in to ACR / Photoshop so maybe that is an option.

[Mr Perceptive]

14 minutes ago, JTLeica said:

Its a solid camera by the looks of it, I would actually buy one to take with my when only a mall camera is warranted, or to places where a Q3 may be a little to much / worried about losing or breaking it. But the XTrans sensor has never been my favourite as the results from Adobe were never as good as other RAW developers... if Adobe was as good as others I would consider, as I cannot be bothered to change my workflow at all.

Iridient used to have a plug in to ACR / Photoshop so maybe that is an option.

LR is a lot better than it used to be for X-Trans but I use the DXO PureRAW plug-in for Lightroom and that is excellent (but occasionally gets a bit excited with greens). I have felt that X-Trans has got worse (in terms of colour rendition) as new versions have arrived and much prefer the Bayer output of the original X100. 
 

I have recently ‘upgraded’ my X100F to a Q3, no regrets and happy to moving on from X-Trans, I still have Fuji cameras though in a GFX50S and an X100 - neither of which are going anywhere!!

[JTLeica]

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18 minutes ago, Mr Perceptive said:

LR is a lot better than it used to be for X-Trans but I use the DXO PureRAW plug-in for Lightroom and that is excellent (but occasionally gets a bit excited with greens). I have felt that X-Trans has got worse (in terms of colour rendition) as new versions have arrived and much prefer the Bayer output of the original X100. 
 

I have recently ‘upgraded’ my X100F to a Q3, no regrets and happy to moving on from X-Trans, I still have Fuji cameras though in a GFX50S and an X100 - neither of which are going anywhere!!

Yes I have a Q3 and am really impressed by it. Competition is good though... However the X100 is a very different price point and I doubt many are really going to consider one vs the other, if you want a Leica no other brand will really satisfy.

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, JTLeica said:

Its a solid camera by the looks of it, I would actually buy one to take with my when only a mall camera is warranted, or to places where a Q3 may be a little to much / worried about losing or breaking it. But the XTrans sensor has never been my favourite as the results from Adobe were never as good as other RAW developers... if Adobe was as good as others I would consider, as I cannot be bothered to change my workflow at all.

Iridient used to have a plug in to ACR / Photoshop so maybe that is an option.

Adobe added “Enhance” functionality which apparently improved on the already fairly good handling of X-Trans files. The advantage of using it over the excellent Iridient X-Transformer is that you can combine “Enhance” with AI Denoise. The advantage over DxO is that the files are smaller, and, on some systems, it runs much faster.

[GREG PLAT]

14 hours ago, phoenix96 said:

I'm one of those people cross-shopping the X100 and the Q3.

My "primary" camera is an R5, but it's bulkier than I want for travel. For years my secondary camera has been an X100. First an X100F and then the X100V. The Fujis take very nice photos but I've never been completely satisfied with them (and for some reason I never "connected" with the X100V as much as I had with the earlier X100F). I want full-frame. But for my travel camera I don't want the extra size of interchangeable lenses - I've got the R5 for when I want to carry a full kit.

So now I've got a Q3 on order, and an X100VI on preorder, and I'm still trying to decide which to keep. I worry a bit that the Q3 will be bigger and heavier than I want, but it's not like I carried the X100 in a pocket anyway. In addition to, obviously, the larger sensor, the extra flexibility of the Q3 (the wider lens, wider aperture, higher resolution) is very enticing.

I have the same dilemma, which of Q3 orX100 VI will fit perfevt my needs. Ig the lens of Q3 was smaller I would not hesitate. The comfort of carrying everywhere my Ricoh GRII is a very big advatage. I am thinking to stay with my FujiXT5 and 10-24/4 as basic street camera and Ricoh GR II as a back up. Q3 with 28/1,7 is little smaller than Fuji XT5 and 10-24/4. I keep my money for travels, But i dont have the full format photos, i need them?

Whats your opinion? Q3 or Fuji XT5 or X100 VI?

[JTLeica]

58 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Adobe added “Enhance” functionality which apparently improved on the already fairly good handling of X-Trans files. The advantage of using it over the excellent Iridient X-Transformer is that you can combine “Enhance” with AI Denoise. The advantage over DxO is that the files are smaller, and, on some systems, it runs much faster.

So you are telling me I need to buy the X100 VI and try it out then yeah?

[Simone_DF]

16 hours ago, tom.w.bn said:

The made up hype is strange to me.

There’s nothing strange nor made up. It’s called “good marketing”.

[JTLeica]

1 hour ago, GREG PLAT said:

I have the same dilemma, which of Q3 orX100 VI will fit perfevt my needs. Ig the lens of Q3 was smaller I would not hesitate. The comfort of carrying everywhere my Ricoh GRII is a very big advatage. I am thinking to stay with my FujiXT5 and 10-24/4 as basic street camera and Ricoh GR II as a back up. Q3 with 28/1,7 is little smaller than Fuji XT5 and 10-24/4. I keep my money for travels, But i dont have the full format photos, i need them?

Whats your opinion? Q3 or Fuji XT5 or X100 VI?

If I were you, the last option would be the 10-24 and the XT5, having owned that lens on 24mp Fujis in the past I dont think the lens is anywhere near good enough for the XT5 sensor... I am biased, but the Q3 will blow your mind in terms of image quality if you are used to the XT5 and 10-24 combo right now... I have no issues shooting landscapes wide open if I have to knowing the image will be sharp more or less corner to corner. You are getting a lens that is 2.5 stops faster with a sensor that is around a stop better, with more resolution, that is hard to ignore.

Here is a link to two files you can download from the Q3. 

https://www.dropbox.com/t/1S1gidH1pj60XOP2

The link is the full res version of these two...

Having shot with Nikon Z7, GFX, and A7R cameras over the last 5 years, the M11 / Q3 sensor is sublime... better than all others I have used.

 

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[SrMi]

2 hours ago, JTLeica said:

So you are telling me I need to buy the X100 VI and try it out then yeah?

😉

I am suggesting that the X-Trans sensor may not be a significant criterion .

[GREG PLAT]

1 hour ago, JTLeica said:

If I were you, the last option would be the 10-24 and the XT5, having owned that lens on 24mp Fujis in the past I dont think the lens is anywhere near good enough for the XT5 sensor... I am biased, but the Q3 will blow your mind in terms of image quality if you are used to the XT5 and 10-24 combo right now... I have no issues shooting landscapes wide open if I have to knowing the image will be sharp more or less corner to corner. You are getting a lens that is 2.5 stops faster with a sensor that is around a stop better, with more resolution, that is hard to ignore.

Here is a link to two files you can download from the Q3. 

https://www.dropbox.com/t/1S1gidH1pj60XOP2

The link is the full res version of these two...

Having shot with Nikon Z7, GFX, and A7R cameras over the last 5 years, the M11 / Q3 sensor is sublime... better than all others I have used.

 

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Thanks for the files. Some say that Auto White Balance has some problems inQ3 with Artificial light. Is it true? 
You believe that Leica Q3 files are better from Sony A7R and Nikon Z7? How much better? 
And a last question, are Leica Jpeg equal like Fuji X100V, some say the FujiJpeg are the best. 
Never had a Leica before. 
I am thinking to invest in Leica but 4000$ more from Fuji is a big amount. 
 

[JTLeica]

56 minutes ago, GREG PLAT said:

Thanks for the files. Some say that Auto White Balance has some problems inQ3 with Artificial light. Is it true? 
You believe that Leica Q3 files are better from Sony A7R and Nikon Z7? How much better? 
And a last question, are Leica Jpeg equal like Fuji X100V, some say the FujiJpeg are the best. 
Never had a Leica before. 
I am thinking to invest in Leica but 4000$ more from Fuji is a big amount. 
 

Hi Greg,

I don’t often use it in artificial light but can’t say I’ve noticed anything, sometimes my WB needs adjusting but it’s a 5 second fix and you can copy and paste that adjustment across all files too which makes it even quicker.

Cant really help on JPG either, however they seem oversharpened to me, but probably you can dial that back, the lens is so sharp you don’t need to sharpen.

I have only used the A7RII and RX1 42mp sensors years ago, and don’t have fond memories of the system at all, that said it’s better now and the latest 60mp sensor is great. The Z I love, but use the Z as a real workhorse with zoom lenses, and ever thought he zoom lenses are stellar, the resolution and quality of the images from the Q3 prime lens vs a 28mm shot from one of the zoom lenses I have, is night and day. Higher res and sharper lens. Dynamic range I feel is similar but the Nikon has always had amazing files and very malleable.

Are you into editing your photos? You can edit jps too not just raw of course and you can again edit one and then paste across your edit to all other files. Create your own presets. 

[la1402]

1 hour ago, GREG PLAT said:

…
You believe that Leica Q3 files are better from Sony A7R 
 

I have the M11 and the A7RV. I don’t see something that would support that claim. Colours are different which is more a matter of taste. Noise and DR look extremely close. 

[GREG PLAT]

12 minutes ago, JTLeica said:

Hi Greg,

I don’t often use it in artificial light but can’t say I’ve noticed anything, sometimes my WB needs adjusting but it’s a 5 second fix and you can copy and paste that adjustment across all files too which makes it even quicker.

Cant really help on JPG either, however they seem oversharpened to me, but probably you can dial that back, the lens is so sharp you don’t need to sharpen.

I have only used the A7RII and RX1 42mp sensors years ago, and don’t have fond memories of the system at all, that said it’s better now and the latest 60mp sensor is great. The Z I love, but use the Z as a real workhorse with zoom lenses, and ever thought he zoom lenses are stellar, the resolution and quality of the images from the Q3 prime lens vs a 28mm shot from one of the zoom lenses I have, is night and day. Higher res and sharper lens. Dynamic range I feel is similar but the Nikon has always had amazing files and very malleable.

Are you into editing your photos? You can edit jps too not just raw of course and you can again edit one and then paste across your edit to all other files. Create your own presets. 

I am not a fan of editing. I prefer to take photos out than edit photos. So I want very good jpegs from the camera I will buy.  That’s why I am asking if the jpegs from Q3 are great. It’s crucial for me. 

Edited February 26, 2024 by GREG PLAT

[JTLeica]

17 minutes ago, la1402 said:

I have the M11 and the A7RV. I don’t see something that would support that claim. Colours are different which is more a matter of taste. Noise and DR look extremely close. 

I expect that is true yes. Having never used the 60mp Sony only the 42mp sensor from years back and the Nikon 45mp sensor, the Leica is now equal in terms of DR and noise, better than the 42mp Sony but paired with the 28mm prime lens it’s just superb, noticeably better than my Z7 and say 24-120mm or 14-30mm.

 

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[JTLeica]

11 minutes ago, GREG PLAT said:

I am not a fan of editing. I prefer to take photos out than edit photos. So I want very good jpegs from the camera I will buy.  That’s why I am asking if the jpegs from Q3 are great. It’s crucial for me. 

If I were you I would buy the Fuji, 5k on a Leica never to use the DNG I feel is madness, Fuji jpgs are always solid and also the film sims for jpg shooters are awesome.

When I talk about file quality I am always talking of the Raw never the jpg.

 

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7 hours ago, JTLeica said:

If I were you I would buy the Fuji, 5k on a Leica never to use the DNG I feel is madness, Fuji jpgs are always solid and also the film sims for jpg shooters are awesome.

When I talk about file quality I am always talking of the Raw never the jpg.

 

This. JPEG only I would  go Fuji all day.

especially when its crucial. No point in boxing yourself in to producing files you dont need or want