Hugoeyesfilm Posted February 4, 2024 Share #1 Posted February 4, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi everyone ! I’m very happy to be part of the family of the Leica now, I just received my very first Leica. I decided to purchased this M4 in a stunning condition. The thing is the next day I realised that was something little bit « strange » just between the flash bulb and the backdoor (check the picture), that there is a part of the top plate looks bent a little, is not huge on the picture but you can notice it and the backdoor is clicking a little bit as well.. Do you think that is normal or it could be an issue? I would appreciate any recommendations Thank y’all ! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/388203-new-leica-m4-check-if-it%E2%80%99s-normal-or-not/?do=findComment&comment=5021387'>More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted February 4, 2024 Share #2 Posted February 4, 2024 Welcome. I cannot say that the issues you mention are clearly visible on the photograph you provided. Can you post better images? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pintpot Posted February 4, 2024 Share #3 Posted February 4, 2024 Welcome! Email the vendor with your concern and include photos, see what reaction you get. Try a roll of high speed film in the camera, if there's a light leak or pressure plate problem this should show it up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted February 4, 2024 Share #4 Posted February 4, 2024 Welcome to the forum! Yes, it looks like the back of the top plate is bent slightly inwards in the middle where the flash connectors are located, as if there had been some pressure applied at this point. Agree with @Pintpot that a test roll to check for light leaks is a good idea. Because the ocular is attached to the back of the top plate and could be affected I would also check that the viewfinder (framelines) and rangefinder work properly. And of course that the flash contact(s) work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 4, 2024 Share #5 Posted February 4, 2024 I’d guess a flash sync plug was in the flash socket and it took a knock. It wouldn’t normally affect light tightness. As for the back door clicking, I could be mistaken by the camera angle but is the bottom edge of the door actually inside the baseplate as it should be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted February 4, 2024 Share #6 Posted February 4, 2024 Even if photos come out fine... if the fault bothers you, and/or was not mentioned, and/or is not reflected in a considerably lower price than for a "stunning" M4, then I would return the camera (sadly). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugoeyesfilm Posted February 4, 2024 Author Share #7 Posted February 4, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi thank y’all for the reply ! I really appreciate it. I’ll develop the first roll as soon as possible and keep you in touch in the forum to see if there is any leak or something else that shouldn't be normal. Everything else looks normal, I compared the viewfinder with some other framelines and everything is fine (thanks god) The bottom edge is actually inside the baseplate properly, that’s why it bother me a little.. I can add an another picture to confirm my doubts.. Thanks again everyone Best regards Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/388203-new-leica-m4-check-if-it%E2%80%99s-normal-or-not/?do=findComment&comment=5022087'>More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 4, 2024 Share #8 Posted February 4, 2024 You could pull those flash sync plugs out and get the proper blanking plugs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted February 4, 2024 Share #9 Posted February 4, 2024 From the photos it seems more than a little bent. But is it the body or the backdoor? The clicking sound is not normal either. Is the hinge in good condition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugoeyesfilm Posted February 4, 2024 Author Share #10 Posted February 4, 2024 7 minutes ago, ianman said: From the photos it seems more than a little bent. But is it the body or the backdoor? The clicking sound is not normal either. Is the hinge in good condition? For me it seems like between the connection of the backdoor and the top plate there is a little space but it’s from the top plate not the backdoor.. and the hinge look pretty nice I’ll take a picture after soon for you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted February 4, 2024 Share #11 Posted February 4, 2024 I think you should try to find out what’s making the clicking noise. That would worry me more than a small dent because over time it could cause wear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugoeyesfilm Posted February 4, 2024 Author Share #12 Posted February 4, 2024 13 minutes ago, ianman said: I think you should try to find out what’s making the clicking noise. That would worry me more than a small dent because over time it could cause wear. I'm thinking of maybe taking it to a Leica store to check it to get that clear.. thank you so much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugoeyesfilm Posted February 4, 2024 Author Share #13 Posted February 4, 2024 Hi again guys, There is few more pics of the camera to confirm your opinion and my fear, do you see something not normal? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/388203-new-leica-m4-check-if-it%E2%80%99s-normal-or-not/?do=findComment&comment=5022224'>More sharing options...
Mute-on Posted February 5, 2024 Share #14 Posted February 5, 2024 The clicking is common on Ms and seems to relate to the fit of the hinge pins and a very tiny amount of play between the back door and the body. It is not a problem in operation. See here It may be possible to apply a very thin strip of felt (as used on modern MP) between the edge of the back door and the body which should quieten the click. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugoeyesfilm Posted March 29, 2024 Author Share #15 Posted March 29, 2024 (edited) Hi everyone I got an update with the camera you’ll tell me if it’s a bad news or not but.. I got an issue with the shutter speed it seems stuck and I can’t advance lever is jammed and won't move at all and the shutter release button can be pressed but nothing happens. I removed the roll to check inside and the curtain stay open a little bit. Someone has an idea.. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 29, 2024 by Hugoeyesfilm Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/388203-new-leica-m4-check-if-it%E2%80%99s-normal-or-not/?do=findComment&comment=5142456'>More sharing options...
Hugoeyesfilm Posted March 29, 2024 Author Share #16 Posted March 29, 2024 There is an another picture of the curtain.. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/388203-new-leica-m4-check-if-it%E2%80%99s-normal-or-not/?do=findComment&comment=5142459'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 29, 2024 Share #17 Posted March 29, 2024 My ideas: Return to seller and ask for a refund, or Get it serviced by a professional 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 29, 2024 Share #18 Posted March 29, 2024 Paul outlined your options. I would go with number one if it is still possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mute-on Posted March 29, 2024 Share #19 Posted March 29, 2024 Yep, had this on my M2. It is likely that the felt in the shutter curtain runner has come loose and wrapped itself around the shutter drum, or similar. Requires disassembly to rectify. May or may not have ancillary damage. Take it to a Leica film camera expert. Do not attempt to force anything yourself. You will only make it worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted March 29, 2024 Share #20 Posted March 29, 2024 closing curtain has a small pin, it shall go between the rails (right photo). It your case it looks like the pin hokked on the rail where the arrow points and thus curtain cannot fully close. Filmn transport if blocked until 2nd curtain fully closes and of course release as well, this is how the Leica shutter is built. Open back door, take the curtain between two finder in front andf back (approx where the blue dot is) and pull few mm to the left, like arrow shows. Push a bit towards back and release your finger. Curtain shall close and transpost shall be released. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It may happen that you might "help" the curtain to fully close, ich such case, again with your 2 fingers pull it a bit but to the right. Then check if the shutter works fine. It could be that is was just one of. But if this repeats camera needs to be opened. 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It may happen that you might "help" the curtain to fully close, ich such case, again with your 2 fingers pull it a bit but to the right. Then check if the shutter works fine. It could be that is was just one of. But if this repeats camera needs to be opened. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/388203-new-leica-m4-check-if-it%E2%80%99s-normal-or-not/?do=findComment&comment=5143082'>More sharing options...
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