SL2-S vs Leica Q3?

[nemendes]

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Hi Everyone!

I currently have leica m11 as a main camera and voigtlander 28mm, summilux 50mm as lenses. %95 of time these two focal lengths are way enough for me, rarely i wished i would have 21mm or 90mm. For a low light photography (with image stabilization) and bad weather conditions, i am looking for a secondary camera. 

Leica Q3 is very suitable for me, 28mm (i dont care if its 26-27 ish), weather sealed, compact; camera has image stabilization, impressive low light capability as much as i saw from taken photos. Only downside of this camera for me that i cant use 50mm. I dont know whether i can use my leica m11 in a bad weather condition or not, but i wish i would have 50mm option with a second camera as well. (leica q3 crop mode is not actually 50mm, so doesnt count for me)

So SL2-S comes to hand. Low light, image stabilization and etc which leica q3 has, it has too. Only downside for me (i am thinking that it would be) its weight. After having a camera around 550gr and lenses not much than 350gr, i am not sure that i will be comfortable with a camera weights 900gr and lenses that weight around 700-800gr. 

Leica Q3 is great for all measurements, but doesnt have 50mm. SL2-S is great for all measurements but heavy. Weight or 50mm

Is there any one that have or had both cameras? (or with leica q2) Which camera would u choose? What is your advice? 

Thanks in advance!

[LocalHero1953]

I have the Q2 and SL2-S. 

What do you mean that the Q3 doesn't have 50mm? Arguments aside about whether the lens is a true 28mm, at the 50mm-equivalent crop you have 19mp, which is good enough for most uses, especially as your 'secondary camera'. You sacrifice some DoF that you might otherwise expect in a f/1.7 lens, but otherwise, what is the issue?

These are two totally different cameras: the SL2-S is a big, serious camera that could displace your M11 for almost all purposes. The SL displaced my M240, which I sold. It is not a casual carry-around camera for social/travel - it's too big and heavy for that. My Q2 is great as my everyday camera for family, travel, social, snapshot, eBay-snaps - everything. TBH I don't understand how you are considering a comparison between the two!

Edited January 16, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[WvE]

I can't speak for the Q3 but the upside with the SL2-s is of course that you can use your m-lenses (but that's also possible with Nikon c.s.). You can crop with the Q3 but ultimately I think the SL2-s is more suited to complement your M11 because of the interchangeable lenses. Weight-wise, yes the SL2-s is heavy but it's beautifully built and when you pair it with the lightweight SL 35/50 ASPH lenses, it's not too heavy.

 

   

[jaapv]

Comparing the incomparable. 
I would advise to first determine what type of photography you are going to use the camera for. It will then be obvious which type of camera fits your particular use case best. 

[epand56]

45 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

The SL displaced my M240, which I sold. It is not a casual carry-around camera for social/travel

I understand that the M world is a golden world, but I want remember you guys that 8 people out of 10 carry around cameras as big as the SL2-s and even bigger (Canon and Nikon), often with huge zooms. Not many people around has the money to fund M cameras and lenses. I socially use my SL2-S and travel with it with no problems. Lenses such as 35 Cron SL and 50 Cron Sl are small and light (camera and lens is 1200gr). I also sold my M240 after using the Sl2-s, and at my age i don't regret it. My good pictures rate has quite improved.

[nemendes]

58 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I have the Q2 and SL2-S. 

What do you mean that the Q3 doesn't have 50mm? Arguments aside about whether the lens is a true 28mm, at the 50mm-equivalent crop you have 19mp, which is good enough for most uses, especially as your 'secondary camera'. You sacrifice some DoF that you might otherwise expect in a f/1.7 lens, but otherwise, what is the issue?

These are two totally different cameras: the SL2-S is a big, serious camera that could displace your M11 for almost all purposes. The SL displaced my M240, which I sold. It is not a casual carry-around camera for social/travel - it's too big and heavy for that. My Q2 is great as my everyday camera for family, travel, social, snapshot, eBay-snaps - everything. TBH I don't understand how you are considering a comparison between the two!

50mm-equivalent crop is not 50mm shot. You just crop 28mm field of view to 50mm and its way different than exact 50mm. Anyway thank you for advice.

[nemendes]

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12 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Comparing the incomparable. 
I would advise to first determine what type of photography you are going to use the camera for. It will then be obvious which type of camera fits your particular use case best. 

I am using 28mm for street photography and 50mm for portrait shots.

Is there any rule that i cant compare these two cameras? Why does everyone get angry about it suddently? We are not talking about religion books here. I just wanted to know your opinion and which ways you are using these two cameras. 

Everyone wants to show its holy knowledge about photography at first. My question was very simple.

Thank you anyway. 

[LocalHero1953]

16 minutes ago, nemendes said:

50mm-equivalent crop is not 50mm shot. You just crop 28mm field of view to 50mm and its way different than exact 50mm. Anyway thank you for advice.

Why is it different? I'm sure you have reasons for this statement, but I don't understand it.

Take the same shot from the same position with a camera with a 50mm lens and a Q with its 28mm, which you then crop to 19mp/50mm-equiv, and you will get the same shot, same perspective, same angle of view, but (depending on the 50mm lens aperture) a different DoF. In the viewfinder it is the same as the M as well: working with framelines that are smaller than the whole viewfinder field.

Edited January 16, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[jaapv]

And this is bollocks. We are not going to wast an umpteenth thread to dispel this urban myth. 

6 minutes ago, nemendes said:

50mm-equivalent crop is not 50mm shot. You just crop 28mm field of view to 50mm and its way different than exact 50mm. Anyway thank you for advice.

6 minutes ago, nemendes said:

50mm-equivalent crop is not 50mm shot. You just crop 28mm field of view to 50mm and its way different than exact 50mm. Anyway thank you for advic

[nemendes]

14 minutes ago, epand56 said:

I understand that the M world is a golden world, but I want remember you guys that 8 people out of 10 carry around cameras as big as the SL2-s and even bigger (Canon and Nikon), often with huge zooms. Not many people around has the money to fund M cameras and lenses. I socially use my SL2-S and travel with it with no problems. Lenses such as 35 Cron SL and 50 Cron Sl are small and light (camera and lens is 1200gr). I also sold my M240 after using the Sl2-s, and at my age i don't regret it. My good pictures rate has quite improved.

Thank you very much for kind and 'real' advice. 

[nemendes]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

And this is bollocks. We are not going to wast an umpteenth thread to dispel this urban myth. 

 

 

and i am not going to explain my opinions to you then! what an incredible moderator!

[jaapv]

6 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Why is it different? I'm sure you have reasons for this statement, but I don't understand it.

Take the same shot from the same position with a camera with a 50mm lens and a Q with its 28mm, which you then crop to 19mp/50mm-equiv, and you will get the same shot, same perspective, same angle of view, but (depending on the 50mm lens aperture) a different DoF. In the viewfinder it is the same as well: working with framelines that are smaller than the whole viewfinder field.

Indeed The amount of misinformation about this camera on the Internet is staggering and somehow it all ends up in this forum. The first basic and essential mistake is that people equate focal length and angle of view with perspective. That is only determined by distance. Nobody is going to move the furniture around when you change a lens. 

[T25UFO]

5 minutes ago, jaapv said:

And this is bollocks.

This is true but the choice of words is maybe a little harsh . . . 

 

[LocalHero1953]

10 minutes ago, nemendes said:

I am using 28mm for street photography and 50mm for portrait shots.

Is there any rule that i cant compare these two cameras? Why does everyone get angry about it suddently? We are not talking about religion books here. I just wanted to know your opinion and which ways you are using these two cameras. 

Everyone wants to show its holy knowledge about photography at first. My question was very simple.

Thank you anyway. 

 

1 hour ago, nemendes said:

Is there any one that have or had both cameras? (or with leica q2) Which camera would u choose? What is your advice? 

A reminder of what your original question was.

No one is angry. No one is telling you off. Cool down a bit. Some of those replying (including me) just have a different point of view and don't understand how the Q and the SL can easily be compared. But perhaps we have something to learn as well. A different point of view does not mean angry, nor does it imply holy knowledge.

Thank you for the info that you want the camera for street photography. You did not write this in your original post. You asked for advice on which camera we would choose, you did not ask how we used the different cameras.

I use my Q2 for social, family and travel, and for a small camera to put in my bag when I'm doing something else. I use the SL2-S for portraits, events and theatre/musical performances. I find it much too heavy for the street.

Just my opinion.

Edited January 16, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[Simone_DF]

Why don't you get a S5II and Sigma lenses? Smaller, lighter, and sharper than the Panasonic rebadge.

Should a smaller SL3 body appear sometime in the future, you can always upgrade, and keep using the lenses.

Also, send an email to Leica and ask them for a Q with a 50mm lens. The more people ask for it, the higher the chances it will happen.

[Pelu2010]

Hey, 

to calm this thread a bit: 

I think what jaapv what’s to say is, that there are plenty of examples here in the forum, where you can see visually that you can crop and get good printable results too. 
so maybe just go and hunt for them. 

[Pelu2010]

2 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Why don't you get a S5II and Sigma lenses? Smaller, lighter, and sharper than the Panasonic rebadge.

Should a smaller SL3 body appear sometime in the future, you can always upgrade, and keep using the lenses.

Also, send an email to Leica and ask them for a Q with a 50mm lens. The more people ask for it, the higher the chances it will happen.

Hey Simone , 

what if they come out with a 40 mm this year …. 
🤣

[Simone_DF]

Just now, Pelu2010 said:

Hey Simone , 

what if they come out with a 40 mm this year …. 
🤣

You can sell the S5II and lenses with very little loss, and get the 40mm Q

[jaapv]

13 minutes ago, nemendes said:

and i am not going to explain my opinions to you then! what an incredible moderator!

Your opinion is unfortunately contrary to all geometrical ands photographic facts. You are not alone but there are dozens of threads on the forum explaining this. 
Nobody is angry, last of all me, but it gets really wearysome to have to explain this photography 1.1 over and over again. 

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[Pelu2010]

 

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