setuporg Posted November 30, 2023 Share #1 Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) So compared to M10R, M11P consistently overexposes, to my liking. Maybe I was underexposing all along... So using EV compensation -1/3 or -2/3 is a tried and true way with Leica. What is it with them? Why do we have to do it year on year on all models? What other approaches have you seen work to achieve less blown up exposure overall? Edited November 30, 2023 by setuporg 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ernstk Posted November 30, 2023 Share #2 Posted November 30, 2023 Always expose for the highlights and even then, apply -0.3 EV. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted November 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, Ernstk said: Always expose for the highlights and even then, apply -0.3 EV. You’d think the whole point of AI metering is it could do that for you, but no… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 30, 2023 Share #4 Posted November 30, 2023 I think it better to overexpose than underexpose as a default. As you said “to my liking”. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, jdlaing said: I think it better to overexpose than underexpose as a default. As you said “to my liking”. I’d think I’m crazy but many others here said the same thing. So I think you’re an outlier.:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchyk Posted November 30, 2023 Share #6 Posted November 30, 2023 One of the reasons I prefer spot meters in cameras. Easier to place something on a zone I want rather than learning how the algorithm responds to different scenes. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 30, 2023 Share #7 Posted November 30, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) On my EVF cameras I expose by the histogram and EV compensation. My exposure varies between -2.5 and +2 and is nearly always spot-on. Therefore I think that a one-size-fits-all EV compensation is not very accurate. On M cameras I use manual and judge by the triangles. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted November 30, 2023 Share #8 Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, setuporg said: So I think you’re an outlier.:) Perhaps he is. But there are plenty who extol the virtues of ETTR. Edit: I tend to use the highlight weighted metering option which often reduces overall exposure to save highlights. Edited November 30, 2023 by marchyman 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J S H Posted November 30, 2023 Share #9 Posted November 30, 2023 Using the M11 outdoors in good/contrasty light, I set the shutter speed manually and place the spot meter on the highlights I care about, to produce +.7 over-exposure, which I would classify as ETTR. This is very accurate and the camera can always pull back the highlights. Indoors, I am usually willing to let the camera auto meter the shutter speed. In that case, I use highlight metering and set Exp Comp to -.3 or -.7. If the lighting is tricky or really contrasty, I'll go back to using the spot meter and manual exposure. Auto ISO is an additional complication, which can sometimes produce exposure errors, so I avoid using unless I'm moving very quickly. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 30, 2023 Share #10 Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) I nail exposure when at risk of digital noise, otherwise i underexpose by default and adjust in PP. Edited November 30, 2023 by lct 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 30, 2023 Share #11 Posted November 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, lct said: underexpose by default and adjust in PP. Losing dynamic range... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 30, 2023 Share #12 Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jaapv said: Losing dynamic range... Only the result counts but I prefer visual navigation to instrument navigation.generally. Often drives me to do the opposite of techies' advices i admit 😉 Edited November 30, 2023 by lct 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 30, 2023 Share #13 Posted November 30, 2023 53 minutes ago, jaapv said: On my EVF cameras I expose by the histogram and EV compensation. My exposure varies between -2.5 and +2 and is nearly always spot-on. Therefore I think that a one-size-fits-all EV compensation is not very accurate. On M cameras I use manual and judge by the triangles. On my cameras I also expose by histogram but use manual exposure control. Once set then I can ignore exposure unless the lighting changes ...... . Camera model/type is irrelevant given that aperture, shutter and ISO are the three base parameters which need controlling. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 30, 2023 Share #14 Posted November 30, 2023 3 hours ago, setuporg said: I’d think I’m crazy but many others here said the same thing. So I think you’re an outlier.:) Remember I said as a default……..or starting point. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2023 Share #15 Posted December 1, 2023 8 hours ago, setuporg said: So compared to M10R, M11P consistently overexposes, to my liking. Maybe I was underexposing all along... So using EV compensation -1/3 or -2/3 is a tried and true way with Leica. What is it with them? Why do we have to do it year on year on all models? What other approaches have you seen work to achieve less blown up exposure overall? Leave the lens cap on. Always works for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share #16 Posted December 1, 2023 2 hours ago, mzbe said: Leave the lens cap on. Always works for me. You can leave the cap on!:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom Posted December 1, 2023 Share #17 Posted December 1, 2023 11 hours ago, setuporg said: So compared to M10R, M11P consistently overexposes, to my liking. Maybe I was underexposing all along... So using EV compensation -1/3 or -2/3 is a tried and true way with Leica. What is it with them? Why do we have to do it year on year on all models? What other approaches have you seen work to achieve less blown up exposure overall? I don’t use any exp comp. I shoot an M10R. All my exposure is fully manual. Nothing over or underexposes. I make it perfect and I keep on shooting. On the M10R the exposure meter in the viewfinder is a guide for you to choose the exposure. You have to consider the entire frame and find what you’re happy with and lock it in. I don’t let the camera decide anything. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted December 3, 2023 Share #18 Posted December 3, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 12:55 PM, jaapv said: Losing dynamic range... This. On 11/30/2023 at 1:05 PM, lct said: Only the result counts but I prefer visual navigation to instrument navigation.generally. Often drives me to do the opposite of techies' advices i admit 😉 Listen to Jaapv. Visual navigation is great unless you're flying your proverbial airplane into the side of a mountain every time you shoot. Let the instruments (histogram plus experience) be your visual. Turn off exposure preview and leave on image review until you learn to trust it. Consistently underexposing your images not only is crushing your shadows but it robs the overall image of brilliance it would have otherwise. Do some exposure bracketing going higher in exposure by 1/3 stops from where you normally shoot. Post-process all of them to taste, then pick the best one. It will not be the one you thought it was. And you have learned a new trick – how to expose properly. On 11/30/2023 at 9:28 AM, setuporg said: So compared to M10R, M11P consistently overexposes, to my liking. Maybe I was underexposing all along... So using EV compensation -1/3 or -2/3 is a tried and true way with Leica. What is it with them? Why do we have to do it year on year on all models? What other approaches have you seen work to achieve less blown up exposure overall? Turn on highlight-weighted metering, otherwise the camera is biasing the metering for what it thinks is the most important part of the image. As a side note, I used the Nikon Zf for a while, and Nikon's version of highlight-weighted metering is crazy aggressive compared to Leicas. I would like to see Leica split the difference since their highlight weighted metering will neglect the highlights if they are too small in the frame. 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share #19 Posted December 3, 2023 Great advice @hdmesa! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 3, 2023 Share #20 Posted December 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, setuporg said: Great advice @hdmesa! I will go on nailing exposure when at risk of digital noise and underexposing by default otherwise but i will try @jaapv's and @hdmesa's methods if mine does not work any more, thank you for your efforts guys 🙂 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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