Stevejack Posted January 23 Share #981 Posted January 23 Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 hours ago, Photoworks said: I don't see why, I just tried it here and it works just fine. Lightroom had an exposure match function that can take care the differences of that. I use capture one and it is all the same. When you apply a correction to white balance you would say 4500k and 0.3 tint on the sliders. What you are suggesting is applying a correction to +500k and more tint to each photo, not sure my software works that way. I can see in extreme situations that it becomes more difficult. I haven't tried the exposure match function, maybe there's quicker fixes than what I've been doing - thanks for the tip I'll check it out. I'm using Lightroom Classic so maybe different versions have different options? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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archive_all Posted January 24 Share #982 Posted January 24 Question: Does setting WB with a gray card help with the magenta cast? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 24 Share #983 Posted January 24 (edited) On 1/20/2025 at 9:06 PM, Surge said: I don’t agree that it “repeatedly fails to calculate the tint correctly”. In my M10, AWB tint is too green most of the time. AWB is just a guess, as you noted. And there is evidence that Leica was trying to emulate a certain film color, so the tint is intentional. It's incorrect - not intentional. When you use in-camera WB with a suitable target, it get's it spot on. When you use AWB, it repeatedly fails to calculate the tint correctly. Edited January 24 by CDodkin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 24 Share #984 Posted January 24 14 hours ago, archive_all said: Question: Does setting WB with a gray card help with the magenta cast? Yes - and a calibrated transmission target like Expodisc is even more accurate than card Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 24 Share #985 Posted January 24 On 1/21/2025 at 10:39 AM, lldd said: For those having the tint issue, how prevalent is it? What percentage of your photos are impacted? Has anyone figured out which lighting conditions trigger this? I'm considering purchasing the camera, but this issue gives me pause. Thanks for any insights. Highly prevalent - but setting in-camera WB with a calibrated target fixes this 100% to make it a non-issue in post Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lldd Posted January 24 Share #986 Posted January 24 (edited) 11 minutes ago, CDodkin said: Highly prevalent - but setting in-camera WB with a calibrated target fixes this 100% to make it a non-issue in post Setting WB is no problem and makes sense. But if one needs to use a calibrated target every time you use the camera so the colors aren't wonky, that's insane. While other cameras (Leica and other brands) show a variance of how they interpret color, you don't need to go through all this hassle just to get decent colors. Edited January 24 by lldd 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 24 Share #987 Posted January 24 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, lldd said: Setting WB is no problem and makes sense. But if one needs to use a calibrated target every time you use the camera so the colors aren't wonky, that's insane. While other cameras (Leica and other brands) show a variance of how they interpret color, you don't need to go through all this hassle just to get decent colors. A simple WB shift menu like Fujifilm has would go a long way to help, especially when using fixed Daylight WB during (drumroll) daylight. Expodisc is more accurate, but a WB shift would be good enough for me to avoid having to see so much magenta tint in live view and image playback. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 25 Share #988 Posted January 25 4 hours ago, _tc said: I dunno IME Hasselblad is a generation ahead and once you use an X2D then what comes out of even Nikon/Canon/Sony seems kind of... not correct lol. Blad really dial in their color calibration for each unit - probably second to none 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 26 Share #989 Posted January 26 I keep seeing images all over this forum (many of them in the lens sub) taken with the M11 that look like they were dipped in pink. Esp outdoor sunny shots. How can people not see this? How could Leica not see this? And why even post before correcting? Mind boggling... 10 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 27 Share #990 Posted January 27 vor 15 Stunden schrieb charlesphoto99: How can people not see this? How could Leica not see this? They see it indeed. And they like it 🤣 2 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted January 27 Share #991 Posted January 27 18 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said: I keep seeing images all over this forum (many of them in the lens sub) taken with the M11 that look like they were dipped in pink. Esp outdoor sunny shots. How can people not see this? How could Leica not see this? And why even post before correcting? Mind boggling... Leica should definitely care. But I would imagine many actual photographers care very little... Not all photos need to be colour accurate, nor sharp. Different people care about different things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwidad Posted January 27 Share #992 Posted January 27 19 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said: I keep seeing images all over this forum (many of them in the lens sub) taken with the M11 that look like they were dipped in pink. Esp outdoor sunny shots. How can people not see this? How could Leica not see this? And why even post before correcting? Mind boggling... Curious how you know that the actual light falling upon the subject met the spec for "pure white"? maybe that was a true rendition? I like my yellow sunsets not being "white balanced" to oblivion! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 27 Share #993 Posted January 27 5 hours ago, kiwidad said: Curious how you know that the actual light falling upon the subject met the spec for "pure white"? maybe that was a true rendition? I like my yellow sunsets not being "white balanced" to oblivion! I have been shooting (and printing) professionally for 35 years. I would hope I know how to view color by now. Sunsets are a whole different ballgame and pretty hard to judge vs mid day light. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
la1402 Posted January 27 Share #994 Posted January 27 On 1/26/2025 at 7:10 PM, charlesphoto99 said: I keep seeing images all over this forum (many of them in the lens sub) taken with the M11 that look like they were dipped in pink. Esp outdoor sunny shots. How can people not see this? How could Leica not see this? And why even post before correcting? Mind boggling... There are still people here trying to kill this discussion by pointing to Adobe and/or claiming it to be user error. I think this should be fixable in FW (the SL3 with the same sensor isn't nearly that bad), but after all this time of not fixing it, Leica must consider it a feature 😉. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted January 27 Share #995 Posted January 27 Just bring a green card instead of a grey one. M11 will make it neutral grey😜 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted January 28 Share #996 Posted January 28 I'm curious how many in this thread have created their own colour profile for the M11 using something like the x-rite color checker? When I first got the M11 I did this, but when the profile was applied it gave me some strange results with highlights, it seemed to be clipping them. I tried a few times and had the same results so I haven't bothered since but I'm curious to hear from others who have done the same? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 28 Share #997 Posted January 28 15 hours ago, Stevejack said: I'm curious how many in this thread have created their own colour profile for the M11 using something like the x-rite color checker? When I first got the M11 I did this, but when the profile was applied it gave me some strange results with highlights, it seemed to be clipping them. I tried a few times and had the same results so I haven't bothered since but I'm curious to hear from others who have done the same? You would have to make a profile every time with ColorChecker. Different lighting can influence the output. I use the profiles from Capture One, and find them most consistent, and stopped using the calibration. still use the colorchecker for in software white-balance. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 28 Share #998 Posted January 28 2 hours ago, _tc said: No offense but "shooting professionally for 35 years" makes you an expert (maybe) at shooting professionally, not color accuracy. If you picked up the latter along the way fair game but you should say that rather than expecting us to just take your word that doing one thing makes you an expert at another. No offense, but have you made prints (yourself) that are in museums? Have you printed Type C and Cibachrome in the past? Do you make your living dependent on color accuracy (or b&w tonality)? I can pretty much put each digital M in a nutshell: M8/M9: deep rich colors, neutral WB, but with an imbalance (somewhat pleasing, depending) in the reds. M240: greenish yellowish cast (at least at first), more muted colors M10: Neutral, but with sometimes unnatural orange and yellows M10-R: cooler cast to the colors M11: neutral but with a magenta bias on the WB. How did I come to these conclusions? By shooting many of the cameras themselves - and making prints with a calibrated monitor and wide format printer, not just posting on the web, and with the two I haven't shot, seeing so many SOOC shots that have had no post done on them, typically posted on this forum. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 28 Share #999 Posted January 28 3 hours ago, _tc said: Say that instead of expecting me to be impressed. That was never my intention. But I do think I have some bonafide experience to talk about color science in photography, and what I can see explicitly with my own eyes - in part because I do have the experience and skill set, developed over decades - in my lane. If you don't see it, or somehow think photography doesn't involve a particular skill set to be successful, then that's on you. Listening to those with experience is a virtue. Try it sometime, you might actually learn something. And FTR, I've never shot a gray card in my life - it's just not my style, slows me down too much, so I prefer to fix in post. And most users don't/won't use one (and sadly find post to be a burden, though that's where the final splash of magic often happens). That's why it's a shame Leica has gotten the WB so wrong with the M11 compared to the past five generations of bodies. Hopefully the M12 will be better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted January 28 Share #1000 Posted January 28 6 hours ago, Photoworks said: You would have to make a profile every time with ColorChecker. Different lighting can influence the output. I use the profiles from Capture One, and find them most consistent, and stopped using the calibration. still use the colorchecker for in software white-balance. This is pretty much where I ended up; I made a few profiles under different lighting conditions to give me a baseline but never really used them frequently due to issues in different lighting (and just not shooting colour very much). I agree that Capture One seems to deal with colours better but I'm so used to using I ended up sticking with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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