Jump to content

Recommended Posts

31 minutes ago, hmzimelka said:

Yes it is stupid. 

However, I also think it's deceptive of Leica to do that on such an expensive product. Personally, I would feel very cheated, as software lens correction is a great way to reduce costs on products to keep the price low, but not on something as expensive as a Q3. But who knows, maybe the Q3 is just a cheap point and shoot in the eye of Leica.

EDIT: It is evident that digital lens correction can cause several issues in certain circumstances. It can cause posterisation in the sky or in even toned surfaces in some low light conditions. We've seen this before even in some images posted online in this forum. Image quality can also be further degraded when noise levels are distorted and magnified at the edges due to lens corrections. The noise of the image is not homogenous throughout the frame. 

It is not deceptive as it is the only way Leica could have created the Q series. The hybrid construction is to reduce size, not to skimp on optical quality or reduce costs (since when has Leica built cameras for low cost?). The design of the Q works by using an integrated lens-shutter-sensor unit to make it as compact as possible with optimal FF IQ.

The posterized images I have seen were mostly by over-editing in 8 bits.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Jeff S said:

Maybe Leica will see an opportunity to sell a package of presets for $999 to appease the “I don’t want to do it myself” crowd.

Jeff

I would rather wait for the P version ( the one without the red dot on the box) of the package for $1199. 😀

Link to post
Share on other sites

Advertisement (gone after registration)

OK last attempt with blue sky and a lot of grey. Please tell me where you see that magenta cast folks.

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

 

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

vor 8 Minuten schrieb lct:

Please tell me where you see that magenta cast folks.

It is hard to tell without knowing the original light situation, but it does seem that your blue sky has some slight magenta cast. If you have used Fuji slide films such as Provia 100F, the sky in your test photo looks very much like what you would get with that film, so anyone used to that film might not even notice any magent cast. It would not bother me, too, but some people are more sensitive to it than others.

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

vor einer Stunde schrieb lct:

OK last attempt with blue sky and a lot of grey. Please tell me where you see that magenta cast folks.

 

This is another example. Magenta cast in the blue of the sky and also on the roof. It's not a personal offense when I say: You obviously don't see it, but it's there.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

vor 30 Minuten schrieb wizard:

I can see it both on the slates and in the sky, without oversaturating, but as I said, it would not bother me.

There are beautiful colors in that pictures. Its somehow annoying looking for magenta cast no matter what the cost. You say it: it would not bother you. I would fully agree. And if it would bother ME then I would slightly change the WB. There are definitely situations where that magenta cast is more dominant. But in many situations it is fully fine (landscape). And lets take the Q3: With this camera the green cast is much more difficult to get rid of. I can just repeat my mantra: Please Leica, leave it as it is. I have Canon besides Leica M and Q. Canon behaves very similar to M11 which I appreciate.

I feel somehow upset as we see here pictures that show wonderful colors and then some coleagues come and claim they have magenta cast. And so what? That magenta belongs to it and if it is a bit too strong, please reduce it. An image with to little magenta is not ok as well. 

I am very sorry to contradict so much here. I just remember, and I wrote it earlier, that when the M11 was announced we could read about the best color rendering ever. And now it semms that it has turned to be the worst.

Link to post
Share on other sites

vor 6 Minuten schrieb don daniel:

This is another example. Magenta cast in the blue of the sky and also on the roof. It's not a personal offense when I say: You obviously don't see it, but it's there.

But Daniel, it does not matter, it is fine. If one does not like it move it to green. But I do not like green cast. If one or the other then magenta. And there is not that AWB that just hits the middle in all situations.

We should found 2 clubs . . 

Edited by M11 for me
Link to post
Share on other sites

I want to repeat: As soon as white balance is corrected, I like the colors of the M11 the most!

The magenta here does not belong to the picture. It is invented by the M11. I do not like this. Fixed white balance at daylight. Second picture: corrected with a click. I'd like an option that gives me the second picture as starting point. This is not a green cast, it is neutral. If you move the tint slider UNDER +10, you get a green cast.

 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

Edited by don daniel
  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

vor 16 Minuten schrieb don daniel:

I do not like this

In this example I fully agree with you, Daniel.

But there would be plenty of other examples where that cast is even fine: take pictures of the autumn landscape. 

And I understand that you are not against colours of the M11 in general. It just seems to me to be a little bit blown up. 

On the other hand its great to know such committed people. There is nothing against that either. At least I read all your posts 😀

 

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, lct said:

I don't see it when over-saturating magenta in PP, only on the slates.

 

Cranking up magenta saturation is useless in this discussion. It only tells us whether magenta is present or not. The point is that this discussion is about colour balance, and in Tint this is magenta-green So if you tweak magenta only and  not correspondingly green, you will always reach a false result. FYI: The magenta in an image is interpolated from the green filters in the Bayer filter. It can be defined as lack of green.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Cranking up magenta saturation is useless in this discussion. It only tells us whether magenta is present or not [...]

It helps me to know if unwanted colors are present or not when i don't see them w/o saturation.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, but you will not get a representation that is useful for a balance. Magenta is not unwanted in a sky as such for instance, but the dominance over green can be a problem, is it eclipsing the yellow-blue balance? What about cyan and red? Simply lifting out one colour and kicking it up does not tell you anything.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

Yes, but you will not get a representation that is useful for a balance. Magenta is not unwanted in a sky, for instance, but the dominance over green can be a problem, is it eclipsing the yellow-blue balance? What about cyan and red? Simply lifting out one colour and kicking it up does not tell you anything.

I may use color saturation to check, for instance, if cyan is too saturated in the sky.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...