don daniel Posted November 28, 2023 Share #221 Posted November 28, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 35 Minuten schrieb lct: Could you please explain why i have zero magenta cast issue with non-Adobe softwares then? We already told you: Your pictures have magenta cast, too, whether you use Adobe software or not! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Hi don daniel, Take a look here Leica M11 -purplish tint ???. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
andybarton Posted November 28, 2023 Share #222 Posted November 28, 2023 Please keep personal attacks out of this, and any other, thread on this forum. Thank you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 28, 2023 Share #223 Posted November 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, hmzimelka said: Yes it is stupid. However, I also think it's deceptive of Leica to do that on such an expensive product. Personally, I would feel very cheated, as software lens correction is a great way to reduce costs on products to keep the price low, but not on something as expensive as a Q3. But who knows, maybe the Q3 is just a cheap point and shoot in the eye of Leica. EDIT: It is evident that digital lens correction can cause several issues in certain circumstances. It can cause posterisation in the sky or in even toned surfaces in some low light conditions. We've seen this before even in some images posted online in this forum. Image quality can also be further degraded when noise levels are distorted and magnified at the edges due to lens corrections. The noise of the image is not homogenous throughout the frame. It is not deceptive as it is the only way Leica could have created the Q series. The hybrid construction is to reduce size, not to skimp on optical quality or reduce costs (since when has Leica built cameras for low cost?). The design of the Q works by using an integrated lens-shutter-sensor unit to make it as compact as possible with optimal FF IQ. The posterized images I have seen were mostly by over-editing in 8 bits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 28, 2023 Share #224 Posted November 28, 2023 Maybe Leica will see an opportunity to sell a package of presets for $999 to appease the “I don’t want to do it myself” crowd. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted November 28, 2023 Share #225 Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Jeff S said: Maybe Leica will see an opportunity to sell a package of presets for $999 to appease the “I don’t want to do it myself” crowd. Jeff I would rather wait for the P version ( the one without the red dot on the box) of the package for $1199. 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 28, 2023 Share #226 Posted November 28, 2023 I am sure that Adobe is working on AI technology to make the “auto” button reliable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 28, 2023 Share #227 Posted November 28, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) OK last attempt with blue sky and a lot of grey. Please tell me where you see that magenta cast folks. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/384897-leica-m11-purplish-tint/?do=findComment&comment=4923454'>More sharing options...
wizard Posted November 28, 2023 Share #228 Posted November 28, 2023 vor 8 Minuten schrieb lct: Please tell me where you see that magenta cast folks. It is hard to tell without knowing the original light situation, but it does seem that your blue sky has some slight magenta cast. If you have used Fuji slide films such as Provia 100F, the sky in your test photo looks very much like what you would get with that film, so anyone used to that film might not even notice any magent cast. It would not bother me, too, but some people are more sensitive to it than others. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 28, 2023 Share #229 Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, wizard said: it does seem that your blue sky has some slight magenta cast. I don't see it when over-saturating magenta in PP, only on the slates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted November 28, 2023 Share #230 Posted November 28, 2023 Gerade eben schrieb lct: I don't see it when over-saturating magenta in PP, only on the slates. I can see it both on the slates and in the sky, without oversaturating, but as I said, it would not bother me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted November 28, 2023 Share #231 Posted November 28, 2023 vor einer Stunde schrieb lct: OK last attempt with blue sky and a lot of grey. Please tell me where you see that magenta cast folks. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This is another example. Magenta cast in the blue of the sky and also on the roof. It's not a personal offense when I say: You obviously don't see it, but it's there. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted November 28, 2023 Share #232 Posted November 28, 2023 vor 30 Minuten schrieb wizard: I can see it both on the slates and in the sky, without oversaturating, but as I said, it would not bother me. There are beautiful colors in that pictures. Its somehow annoying looking for magenta cast no matter what the cost. You say it: it would not bother you. I would fully agree. And if it would bother ME then I would slightly change the WB. There are definitely situations where that magenta cast is more dominant. But in many situations it is fully fine (landscape). And lets take the Q3: With this camera the green cast is much more difficult to get rid of. I can just repeat my mantra: Please Leica, leave it as it is. I have Canon besides Leica M and Q. Canon behaves very similar to M11 which I appreciate. I feel somehow upset as we see here pictures that show wonderful colors and then some coleagues come and claim they have magenta cast. And so what? That magenta belongs to it and if it is a bit too strong, please reduce it. An image with to little magenta is not ok as well. I am very sorry to contradict so much here. I just remember, and I wrote it earlier, that when the M11 was announced we could read about the best color rendering ever. And now it semms that it has turned to be the worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted November 28, 2023 Share #233 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) vor 6 Minuten schrieb don daniel: This is another example. Magenta cast in the blue of the sky and also on the roof. It's not a personal offense when I say: You obviously don't see it, but it's there. But Daniel, it does not matter, it is fine. If one does not like it move it to green. But I do not like green cast. If one or the other then magenta. And there is not that AWB that just hits the middle in all situations. We should found 2 clubs . . Edited November 28, 2023 by M11 for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted November 28, 2023 Share #234 Posted November 28, 2023 vor 4 Minuten schrieb M11 for me: And now it semms that it has turned to be the worst. No, not to me. But I would still like to see a different colour as a starting point, or at least a choice. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted November 28, 2023 Share #235 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) I want to repeat: As soon as white balance is corrected, I like the colors of the M11 the most! The magenta here does not belong to the picture. It is invented by the M11. I do not like this. Fixed white balance at daylight. Second picture: corrected with a click. I'd like an option that gives me the second picture as starting point. This is not a green cast, it is neutral. If you move the tint slider UNDER +10, you get a green cast. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 28, 2023 by don daniel 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/384897-leica-m11-purplish-tint/?do=findComment&comment=4923654'>More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted November 28, 2023 Share #236 Posted November 28, 2023 vor 16 Minuten schrieb don daniel: I do not like this In this example I fully agree with you, Daniel. But there would be plenty of other examples where that cast is even fine: take pictures of the autumn landscape. And I understand that you are not against colours of the M11 in general. It just seems to me to be a little bit blown up. On the other hand its great to know such committed people. There is nothing against that either. At least I read all your posts 😀 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 28, 2023 Share #237 Posted November 28, 2023 3 hours ago, lct said: I don't see it when over-saturating magenta in PP, only on the slates. Cranking up magenta saturation is useless in this discussion. It only tells us whether magenta is present or not. The point is that this discussion is about colour balance, and in Tint this is magenta-green So if you tweak magenta only and not correspondingly green, you will always reach a false result. FYI: The magenta in an image is interpolated from the green filters in the Bayer filter. It can be defined as lack of green. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 28, 2023 Share #238 Posted November 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, jaapv said: Cranking up magenta saturation is useless in this discussion. It only tells us whether magenta is present or not [...] It helps me to know if unwanted colors are present or not when i don't see them w/o saturation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 28, 2023 Share #239 Posted November 28, 2023 Yes, but you will not get a representation that is useful for a balance. Magenta is not unwanted in a sky as such for instance, but the dominance over green can be a problem, is it eclipsing the yellow-blue balance? What about cyan and red? Simply lifting out one colour and kicking it up does not tell you anything. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 28, 2023 Share #240 Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, jaapv said: Yes, but you will not get a representation that is useful for a balance. Magenta is not unwanted in a sky, for instance, but the dominance over green can be a problem, is it eclipsing the yellow-blue balance? What about cyan and red? Simply lifting out one colour and kicking it up does not tell you anything. I may use color saturation to check, for instance, if cyan is too saturated in the sky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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