Upgrading M10-R to M11P.. decision decision decision

[SrMi]

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6 hours ago, RF’sDelight said:

Funny. Technically the metering and emotionally the baseplate. 

M11 also has center-weighted metering, if preferred. 

[RF’sDelight]

vor 19 Stunden schrieb SrMi:

M11 also has center-weighted metering, if preferred. 

Thank you, I know that. But this option of the sensor metering acts still different from the »kind of« center weighted metering via the shutter curtain/blades. Wouldn't you agrees?

Most of the time I prefer shooting my digital M cameras in A-mode within the range of 28, 35 and 50 mm lenses. And In the way the center weighted sensor metering of the M11 is presumably more precise in the same way it meters in a more »hectic« way, jumping constantly between the exposure values. I find that kind of annoying. All of this is my personal taste of course but that's why – to me – metering up to the M10 feels more classic.

If we would talk about using for example the SL2-S, I have of course very different preferences. 😁

 

[IMAGEPOWER]

I've had a M10 Monochrom, a M10-R, a M11 and a M11-P right from the day they hit the shelves. I also own a M10-P Reporter.

While I loved my M10 Mono and M10-R I have preferred my M11 variants more and more. Actually I in the meantime I used the M10-R only if I used the M10 Monochrom on the same occasion. My muscle control system has had problems switching between M10 and M11 variants, apart from better battery, Favorite Menu and Charging differences.I have to add that I use the M system on a professional basis along a Nikon F and Z system with lenses up to 600mm.

Last week I finally traded in my M10-R and M10 Monochrom to fund a M11 Monochrom. Lots of pros and cons for the both camera lines can be extracted from this forum, but in order to answer your questions directly:

Reasons:

1. M11 AWB is much better than M10 AWB, especially in Tungsten light situations. Also I prefer color temperature of M11 models, especially in blue skies.

2. High ISO difference is almost not visible, BSI sensor technology weighs up denser pixels on the sensor.

3. Back LCD is definitely sharper on M11 variants than on M10 models

4. Start-Up of the M10 models is a pain in the neck. M11 models are even worse. Try any Nikon Z model to see what is state of the art

5. No comment on metering as I usually meter manually and check on the display.

6. I have never used a screen protector on any camera, and never will, so no problems with that.

7. Shutter sound of the M10-R and M10-p is quieter and nicer than M11. M11 and M11-P are the same. M11 variants can used in complete silence with electronic shutter though. As I shoot a lot of landscapes, architecture, people moving around in noisy places I have no problems with the shutter sound, but still I miss the sound of the M10-R shutter sound sometimes.

8. I use a Voigtlander 15mm Super Heliar III on all my M models without any problems.

9. I have had quite a lot of freezing issues on the M11 variants (I do shoot a lot of frames per week, however). These issues have been solved with the latest firmware updates. Actually I have also had some freezing issues with my M10-R and M10 Monochrom, so the problem is not isolated to the M11 variants. I have never had any freezing issues with my Nikon bodies starting from the F5 over to every professional model D1X to Z9 including D8xx series and D300.

10. With the M11 I actually use faster shutter speeds, i.e. 1/250s with my APO-Summicron M 35mm. But that's the caveat with higher resolution sensors and my clients simply love the output of the M11 60MP sensor.

Hope that helps to make your mind

[SrMi]

9 minutes ago, IMAGEPOWER said:

I've had a M10 Monochrom, a M10-R, a M11 and a M11-P right from the day they hit the shelves. I also own a M10-P Reporter.

While I loved my M10 Mono and M10-R I have preferred my M11 variants more and more. Actually I in the meantime I used the M10-R only if I used the M10 Monochrom on the same occasion. My muscle control system has had problems switching between M10 and M11 variants, apart from better battery, Favorite Menu and Charging differences.I have to add that I use the M system on a professional basis along a Nikon F and Z system with lenses up to 600mm.

Last week I finally traded in my M10-R and M10 Monochrom to fund a M11 Monochrom. Lots of pros and cons for the both camera lines can be extracted from this forum, but in order to answer your questions directly:

Reasons:

1. M11 AWB is much better than M10 AWB, especially in Tungsten light situations. Also I prefer color temperature of M11 models, especially in blue skies.

 

2. High ISO difference is almost not visible, BSI sensor technology weighs up denser pixels on the sensor.

3. Back LCD is definitely sharper on M11 variants than on M10 models

4. Start-Up of the M10 models is a pain in the neck. M11 models are even worse. Try any Nikon Z model to see what is state of the art

5. No comment on metering as I usually meter manually and check on the display.

6. I have never used a screen protector on any camera, and never will, so no problems with that.

7. Shutter sound of the M10-R and M10-p is quieter and nicer than M11. M11 and M11-P are the same. M11 variants can used in complete silence with electronic shutter though. As I shoot a lot of landscapes, architecture, people moving around in noisy places I have no problems with the shutter sound, but still I miss the sound of the M10-R shutter sound sometimes.

8. I use a Voigtlander 15mm Super Heliar III on all my M models without any problems.

9. I have had quite a lot of freezing issues on the M11 variants (I do shoot a lot of frames per week, however). These issues have been solved with the latest firmware updates. Actually I have also had some freezing issues with my M10-R and M10 Monochrom, so the problem is not isolated to the M11 variants. I have never had any freezing issues with my Nikon bodies starting from the F5 over to every professional model D1X to Z9 including D8xx series and D300.

10. With the M11 I actually use faster shutter speeds, i.e. 1/250s with my APO-Summicron M 35mm. But that's the caveat with higher resolution sensors and my clients simply love the output of the M11 60MP sensor.

Hope that helps to make your mind

M11 also has an electronic shutter, which removes the need for ND filters in bright light and when shooting wide open.

BSI is mainly helpful for faster reading from the sensor. It does not help with noise.

[IMAGEPOWER]

vor einer Stunde schrieb SrMi:

M11 also has an electronic shutter, which removes the need for ND filters in bright light and when shooting wide open.

 

If you read my post carefully you will notice that I already mentioned the electronic shutter. It also reduces camera shake by the way, but as I stated above I was not about to repeat all the pros and cons of the M11 line vs. the M10 line but answer specifically the questions of the TO

[setuporg]

On 3/20/2025 at 9:47 AM, IMAGEPOWER said:

Also I prefer color temperature of M11 models, especially in blue skies.

We're not the same.:)

[satijntje]

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I updated from M10-r to a M11 Glossy Black Paint.
Such a fine camera.
Its already my fourth attempt after having freezing Problems with my 3  M11 bodies.
Happy that I decided to give it a last try.
Now 3 weeks without a single freeze.

What a battery! WOW!!!!

[costa43]

I’ve just picked up an M11-P and have an M10-R too. I figured Leica are not going to give me what I really want which is a very simple and fast rangefinder and I have little interest in an EVF M so my curiosity took over and I picked one up. I set up a few bits and went out shooting, it’s early days but the experience is exactly what I’ve been used to with every other M, Leica really get it right in this regard. I live with the M by my side and use it constantly so I really really like the lighter weight of the black chrome model i opted for, I won’t go back to brass again if there is a choice unless it’s black paint and then the decision will be harder. The battery life seems really strong and the files on first impressions have a lot of latitude. It’s too early for me to compare it to the M10-R but the initial impression is more of the same with some quality of life benefits on top - especially the electronic shutter. I was shooting at f1.4 today and I was able to expose perfectly in relatively bright conditions, it has its pitfalls but for still shots in good light, it’s a nice bonus.

Edited April 9 by costa43

[jakontil]

My transition from an M10 to M10R black paint was just as smooth… then having both the M10r and M11 when it was released, sold the latter, kept the former until the black paint released, sold the M10R and relying solely on the M11… that was the smoothest transition.. i thought i could never… but yeah im okey now