tim Posted November 2, 2023 Share #21 Posted November 2, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the 50mm Summicron, v5 and the 2.8/28 ASPH v1 I am super happy with that combo across my analog and digital M. Very good image and build quality, small, light and kind of affordable. Even though I would love to own a Summilux or the new Summicon 28, I would probably go for the same set up again, since I need a small light set up when travelling. Cheers Tim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted November 2, 2023 Share #22 Posted November 2, 2023 50 Summilux ASPH was a good choice. You may try others, but this one is a keeper. As for the pairing, 28 is a natural fit. I couldn’t gel with the 28 Summicron ASPH v1 - can’t tell you why. If you go that route, get the v2 (it’s corrected). I have the 28 Summilux (pairs nicely with the 50) and the 28 Summaron-M (a little gem). I wouldn’t be too bothered about size - I’m more interested in haptics and image quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDotLurker Posted November 2, 2023 Share #23 Posted November 2, 2023 I also just went through this question and landed on the 50 APSH Lux and the 28 Elmarit and can't imagine ever needing anything else. I thought I was a 35 shooter, but after renting the new 35 Lux a few times I never really connected with it. I did get the CV 35 Ultron if I am feeling the need for a 35 and it's truly worth all the hype. But the 50 Lux is just an absolute grail lens and the 28 pairs so perfect with it. I'm just another in a very very long line that has come to the same conclusion. Also, I picked up both the Lux and Elmarit preowned from Leica Belluview and Leica DC and saved a ton of cash. The customer service was incredible. They both look brand new and I got the 50 for $3200 and the 28 for $1900 (no tax on preowned) and couldn't be happier. Best of luck on your lens journey! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 2, 2023 Share #24 Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, RedDotLurker said: and can't imagine ever needing anything else. Famous last words... 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 2, 2023 Share #25 Posted November 2, 2023 Since you’re in the US, you always have the option to rent and see for yourself (or demo from a cooperative dealer). As you found, the 50 Summilux ASPH (also my choice) was different in your hands than all of your readings. Unlike many, I like a 35/50 combo, and don’t find them too close. Personal styles and tastes… Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted November 2, 2023 Share #26 Posted November 2, 2023 17 hours ago, JoshuaRothman said: I've just sold my 28 Elmarit ASPH and bought a 28mm Summaron. I'll be pairing the Summaron with the 50 Cron v5 I already own, with a Steel Rim Reissue sandwiched in the middle for a one-lens setup. I'm hoping that these three lenses will cohere into a 'neo-vintage' set. Also take a look at the 35/1.4 ASPH pre FLE. Its more in line with your 28/5.6 and 50/2 v5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester6 Posted November 5, 2023 Author Share #27 Posted November 5, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 11/2/2023 at 1:26 AM, JoshuaRothman said: I've just sold my 28 Elmarit ASPH and bought a 28mm Summaron. I'll be pairing the Summaron with the 50 Cron v5 I already own, with a Steel Rim Reissue sandwiched in the middle for a one-lens setup. I'm hoping that these three lenses will cohere into a 'neo-vintage' set. What made you switch from elmarit to summicron? Have you noticed any improvements? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted November 5, 2023 Share #28 Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) Ultron 28 ii (unless you do landscape vigorously the Summicron 28 asph has no surplusvalue above the CV). The APO Lanthar is too big for my taste (if you count the hood in), so if you want APO, the Leica 50APO would be the choice. Remind though that the utter sharpness makes it not necessarily multipurpose lense. The bo-keh at 2.0 is unsurpassed as can be seen on this forum. The 1.4 in the recent remake with 45cm as closest distance to subject is relatively cheap compared to the APO and has a much broader functionality. All the 50’s from Leica, including the Elmar-M 2.8 collapsible, start to perform equally well at ~ 4.0 already, which has been demonstrated at this forum. Edited November 5, 2023 by otto.f Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaR Posted November 5, 2023 Share #29 Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, chester6 said: What made you switch from elmarit to summicron? Have you noticed any improvements? It's too early for me to say if the switch was a good idea, but I did for three reasons: (1) I liked the rendering I saw from the Summaron in others' images; (2) I wanted to try shooting with a 28mm lens that would force me to compose with deep depth of field; (3) I've transitioned from the 35 FLE to the 35 Steel Rim as my main 35mm lens, and wanted to try something with a softer rendering. I may very well switch back after trying the Summaron, but I have high hopes that it will fit nicely into my kit! Edited November 5, 2023 by JoshuaRothman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpomatic Posted November 21, 2023 Share #30 Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) I have the Voigtlanders: Nokton 50mm 1.5 II MC and Color-Skopar 28mm 2.8 II. Tiny combo with fantastic image quality, I don't need anything more. I shoot professionally weddings, documentary and street (teaching as well) with this combo exclusively. Don't discount Voigtlander because it's not aa Leica lens, Cosina is hitting it out of the park lately! And the 50 is so small I can't think of wanting the Summilux ASPH: too big and heavy! And the Summicron 50mm, although a great size as well, simply doesn't have the smooth bokeh when needed. This is the Nokton 50mm at F2: the Summicron would not have been so smooth. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here's the combo: Edited November 21, 2023 by Harpomatic 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here's the combo: ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383556-which-combo-of-28mm-50mm-should-i-start-out-with/?do=findComment&comment=4917965'>More sharing options...
Woolly66 Posted November 22, 2023 Share #31 Posted November 22, 2023 The Voigtlander 28/2 ultron is great as long as it's the newer asph version. The older 28/2 ultron is ok, but not spectacular. the newer one, though, is really very good. It is sharp with minimum vignetting & distortion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted November 22, 2023 Share #32 Posted November 22, 2023 I just got a MATE and it’s such a fun lens. Works fine on M11P! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 22, 2023 Share #33 Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Harpomatic said: This is the Nokton 50mm at F2: the Summicron would not have been so smooth. I have nothing but smooth bokeh pics at f/2 with both v4 and v5 Summicrons so far. Could you show some harsh or busy bokey at f/2 with the Summicron by chance? Just curious as i'm interested in the Nokton and the bokeh of the Summilux asph (not Summicron) is too harsh around f/2.8 to my taste. Edited November 22, 2023 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpomatic Posted November 22, 2023 Share #34 Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, lct said: I have nothing but smooth bokeh pics at f/2 with both v4 and v5 Summicrons so far. Could you show some harsh or busy bokey at f/2 with the Summicron by chance? Just curious as i'm interested in the Nokton and the bokeh of the Summilux asph (not Summicron) is too harsh around f/2.8 to my taste. Hi lct, here is one where I found the Summicron to produce a distracting baackground: when I shot this I wanted as much as possible to blur the tree away to separate the subjects a bit more, but the bokeh outlining makes it a lot more distracting than it should be. The Nokton 50mm 1.5 II or the 50mm Summilux ASPH would have done a better job here, and I want to have that smoothness when I have such a difficult background. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Look also at the outlining on the upper left corner, on the white beam of the structure, and on the right upper corner, same structure, on the specular highlight. They are less imprtant maybe, but they show that outlining on the Summicron (this was version 5). Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Look also at the outlining on the upper left corner, on the white beam of the structure, and on the right upper corner, same structure, on the specular highlight. They are less imprtant maybe, but they show that outlining on the Summicron (this was version 5). ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383556-which-combo-of-28mm-50mm-should-i-start-out-with/?do=findComment&comment=4918150'>More sharing options...
dem331 Posted November 22, 2023 Share #35 Posted November 22, 2023 After a 20 something journey with Ms and many different iterations that included 21mms, 90mms, Noctilux, MATE, I have ended up using only two lenses on my M: 28mm asph f2 v1 50mm asph f1.4 v1 so I think you have hit on the absolutely right combination, the sweet spot for M cameras. Or a single 35mm. The only upgrade I would consider is to the v2 28 mm , if only because of the lens hood and the propensity of the v1 to come loose at the barrel, if you do not handle it correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 22, 2023 Share #36 Posted November 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Harpomatic said: Hi lct, here is one where I found the Summicron to produce a distracting baackground: when I shot this I wanted as much as possible to blur the tree away to separate the subjects a bit more, but the bokeh outlining makes it a lot more distracting than it should be. The Nokton 50mm 1.5 II or the 50mm Summilux ASPH would have done a better job here, and I want to have that smoothness when I have such a difficult background. [...] Thank you @Harpomatic. I believe this is what i (and others?) call optical bokeh where OOF details are not sharp but can be identified, vs gaussian bokeh where details are too blurred to be identified. This is a subjective matter obviously but gaussian bokeh is not my cup of tea personally. Couple of Summicron v4 snaps below to show what i mean .Thank you again anyway 🙂 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383556-which-combo-of-28mm-50mm-should-i-start-out-with/?do=findComment&comment=4918166'>More sharing options...
Jewl Posted November 22, 2023 Share #37 Posted November 22, 2023 I'd go for the 50mm Summicron V4 or 5 depending on what you prefer from an haptic and aesthetics perspective. And I'd pair it with the soon to be released 28mm summicron with close focus (will pick this thing up probably next year). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted November 22, 2023 Share #38 Posted November 22, 2023 If it’s any help, here’s one using the Summicron V5 at f2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383556-which-combo-of-28mm-50mm-should-i-start-out-with/?do=findComment&comment=4918473'>More sharing options...
dpitt Posted November 22, 2023 Share #39 Posted November 22, 2023 7 hours ago, Harpomatic said: Hi lct, here is one where I found the Summicron to produce a distracting baackground: when I shot this I wanted as much as possible to blur the tree away to separate the subjects a bit more, but the bokeh outlining makes it a lot more distracting than it should be. The Nokton 50mm 1.5 II or the 50mm Summilux ASPH would have done a better job here, and I want to have that smoothness when I have such a difficult background. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Look also at the outlining on the upper left corner, on the white beam of the structure, and on the right upper corner, same structure, on the specular highlight. They are less imprtant maybe, but they show that outlining on the Summicron (this was version 5). Any 50cron version would have done a better job with the background. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2023 Share #40 Posted November 22, 2023 12 hours ago, lct said: I have nothing but smooth bokeh pics at f/2 with both v4 and v5 Summicrons so far. Could you show some harsh or busy bokey at f/2 with the Summicron by chance? Just curious as i'm interested in the Nokton and the bokeh of the Summilux asph (not Summicron) is too harsh around f/2.8 to my taste. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! An example of the Nokton 1.5/50 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! An example of the Nokton 1.5/50 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/383556-which-combo-of-28mm-50mm-should-i-start-out-with/?do=findComment&comment=4918662'>More sharing options...
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