Leica M11 Firmware V 2.0.1

[don daniel]

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Could someone perhaps show a photo of a street scene in daylight where the Cobalt profile was used? I'd love to see if the magenta tint has really disappeared before I pay for it. That would be very nice. 

[M11 for me]

Hi Daniel,

May I ask why you do not just your own profile? You have published your individual settings here. I presume that that Cobalt profile dies not much different (see post #236).

Edited November 21, 2023 by M11 for me

[don daniel]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb M11 for me:

Hi Daniel,

May I ask why you do not just your own profile? You have published your individual settings here. I presume that that Cobalt profile dies not much different (see post #236).

The manipulation I have now tested in LR's Calibration Tool only proves itself in daylight and only works with DNG. It is inactive for JPG. The best option for me is to correct the white balance of each individual image first, which works better with DNG than with JPG. This is a problem with the white balance in the camera, which is then simply adopted by LR, and not a problem with the colour profile. If a camera has a tendency to reproduce the red tone differently than I want, I can create a colour profile that corrects the red tone in every imported image. But this is not the case with the M11. It is not a single colour that is wrong, but the white balance does not work correctly in natural light. It is therefore not expedient to change individual colours, but this should be corrected by Leica in the camera so that the camera achieves a better white balance. The M10 can do this, the M10-R can do this, the Qs can do this, why not the M11?

[lct]

Color appreciation is subjective and relative.
I see no magenta cast in this OOC jpeg.
(M11, FW 2.0.1, Planar 50/2, f/8)

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[M11 for me]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb don daniel:

The manipulation I have now tested in LR's Calibration Tool only proves itself in daylight and only works with DNG. It is inactive for JPG. The best option for me is to correct the white balance of each individual image first, which works better with DNG than with JPG. This is a problem with the white balance in the camera, which is then simply adopted by LR, and not a problem with the colour profile. If a camera has a tendency to reproduce the red tone differently than I want, I can create a colour profile that corrects the red tone in every imported image. But this is not the case with the M11. It is not a single colour that is wrong, but the white balance does not work correctly in natural light. It is therefore not expedient to change individual colours, but this should be corrected by Leica in the camera so that the camera achieves a better white balance. The M10 can do this, the M10-R can do this, the Qs can do this, why not the M11?

Of course. Thank you, Daniel

[jaapv]

4 hours ago, lct said:

Color appreciation is subjective and relative.
I see no magenta cast in this OOC jpeg.
(M11, FW 2.0.1, Planar 50/2, f/8)

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Well, personally I would like to see a bit more green, but the is just me. 

[jaapv]

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I would like to see some comparison between M10 and M11 in colour card shots. Then we know which colours we are talking about. Primarily Magenta ( not Purple) obviously, but it may be that some other colours need to be shifted too.  I think that Daniel is correct that Adobe will only apply a proprietary profile to JPGs 

 

[lct]

36 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Well, personally I would like to see a bit more green, but the is just me. 

There is not much green in my garden either. The DNG file shows some more red and yellow though. Here converted with the M11 profile in Iridient Developper. The generic raw profile is somewhat colder and less contrasty but does not show any magenta cast either. 

https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Leica-M11-ZM-502/i-8xZ93XB/0/c46c8c92/X4/M1103748_irid-X4.jpg

[jaapv]

I rather prefer the corrected version:

 

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[don daniel]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

I rather prefer the corrected version:

Much better! And give the sensor a clean. It's pretty dirty. 😀

[lct]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

I rather prefer the corrected version:

So do i if the light was not the same but I wanted to show how uncorrected versions look like actually.

[normie610]

Ever since I updated to FW 2.0.1, I'm having a weird issue. The first picture taken after camera has been turned on from an off position is tack sharp, however all subsequent shots aren't that sharp. I thought at first perhaps my RF calibration is somehow off, but apparently this happens with both RF and Visoflex 2. I tried resetting the camera settings and this seems to help a bit, but still not as good as before the FW update. Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

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Edited November 25, 2023 by normie610
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[hmzimelka]

5 hours ago, normie610 said:

Ever since I updated to FW 2.0.1, I'm having a weird issue. The first picture taken after camera has been turned on from an off position is tack sharp, however all subsequent shots aren't that sharp. I thought at first perhaps my RF calibration is somehow off, but apparently this happens with both RF and Visoflex 2. I tried resetting the camera settings and this seems to help a bit, but still not as good as before the FW update. Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

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Leica are aware of this issue and are working on it for the next FW update.

I wrote about it here... 

 

[normie610]

7 hours ago, hmzimelka said:

 

 

Leica are aware of this issue and are working on it for the next FW update.

I wrote about it here... 

 

Mine is also soft without Live View. And I don't apply any sharpening on JPG settings. So only the first shot is sharp and the rest is soft using RF. Hopefully it can be solved in the next FW update. I did reset the camera settings and it seems there's a noticeable improvement. And the issue happens with both RAW and JPG. I can see it clearly in Lightroom that the two RAWs are not the same in terms of sharpness. 

Edited November 26, 2023 by normie610

[hmzimelka]

1 hour ago, normie610 said:

Mine is also soft without Live View. And I don't apply any sharpening on JPG settings. So only the first shot is sharp and the rest is soft using RF. Hopefully it can be solved in the next FW update. I did reset the camera settings and it seems there's a noticeable improvement. And the issue happens with both RAW and JPG. I can see it clearly in Lightroom that the two RAWs are not the same in terms of sharpness. 

Yes, same with me. I explained the same symptoms in my explanation. The Leica representative I spoke to reproduced it on their test camera. It's in the pipeline for the next update. The sharpening is not applied to the JPG preview in DNG files, or the JPG file. Its an issue in Live View and image review since the sharpening isn't applied in either, hence seeing it in DNG previews or out of camera JPG files. It behaves differently even on M11-P cameras, as tested by Leica. 

EDIT: 0 sharpening in camera is still applying sharpening to some degree. Only Leica knows at what point zero is zero. -2 might be the real zero.
We came across the issue from two different directions. I didn't test really if all consecutive shots in RF mode are sharpened or if it's only the first one. All I can say is your issue and the one I wrote about are the same issue. And Leica are aware of it, and ironically even confirmed to me the issue is different with and M11P vs M11. I just hope the update gets pushed before mid Dec or so before Leica takes a holiday until mid Jan...

Edited November 26, 2023 by hmzimelka

[normie610]

1 hour ago, hmzimelka said:

Yes, same with me. I explained the same symptoms in my explanation. The Leica representative I spoke to reproduced it on their test camera. It's in the pipeline for the next update. The sharpening is not applied to the JPG preview in DNG files, or the JPG file. Its an issue in Live View and image review since the sharpening isn't applied in either, hence seeing it in DNG previews or out of camera JPG files. It behaves differently even on M11-P cameras, as tested by Leica. 

EDIT: 0 sharpening in camera is still applying sharpening to some degree. Only Leica knows at what point zero is zero. -2 might be the real zero.
We came across the issue from two different directions. I didn't test really if all consecutive shots in RF mode are sharpened or if it's only the first one. All I can say is your issue and the one I wrote about are the same issue. And Leica are aware of it, and ironically even confirmed to me the issue is different with and M11P vs M11. I just hope the update gets pushed before mid Dec or so before Leica takes a holiday until mid Jan...

Fingers crossed!

Btw have you tried resetting the camera settings? It kinda did the trick for me, even though I had to go through all the hassle of setting up some parameters/settings. For the time being I can get reasonably sharp pictures from M11.  

[hmzimelka]

1 hour ago, normie610 said:

Fingers crossed!

Btw have you tried resetting the camera settings? It kinda did the trick for me, even though I had to go through all the hassle of setting up some parameters/settings. For the time being I can get reasonably sharp pictures from M11.  

Yeah, I did. Also wrote about it in this thread. 

I actually reset twice... once, then re-loading settings from SD. Didn't work. 

Then, reset without loading my settings from the SD to determine if my user settings were somehow causing the issue. Also didn't make a difference. 

 

This issue with the sharpening is only a bother for me when shooting live view, as I use +1 or +2 sharpening as a focus aid. Focus peaking is quite useless for me, so sharpening at 2 on a magnified live view mode is the better way to achieve accurate focus when needed. Other than that I don't like the JPG files from the M11 and I don't need the JPG previews in the DNG either in my RAW processor.

 

[J S H]

With my M11 on 2.01 firmware, I am only seeing this issue when reviewing the DNG images in camera (first image sharp, subsequent images soft). All of the DNG files are sharp upon review in Lr.

Is that the behavior everyone else is seeing? If so, it's not ideal, but not a total dealbreaker to me. Obviously, it would be good if there is a fix soon. I would also like to see a fix to disable the auto shutter close with no lens, but also not an emergency, in my view. 

[chris7273]

Is it possible to reinstall the previous version ? I would like to check something with my visoflex as it stopped working after the upgrade to the new firmware version. Maybe just a coincidence but I would like to test with the version 1.6.1.

I found this version on the uae leica website (https://www.leicauae.com/support/firmware-updates/), transfered it to the sd card but it(s not recognised in the upgrade menu…

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[hdmesa]

10 hours ago, chris7273 said:

Is it possible to reinstall the previous version ? I would like to check something with my visoflex as it stopped working after the upgrade to the new firmware version. Maybe just a coincidence but I would like to test with the version 1.6.1.

I found this version on the uae leica website (https://www.leicauae.com/support/firmware-updates/), transfered it to the sd card but it(s not recognised in the upgrade menu…

Can't go backward.