JNK100 Posted December 20, 2024 Share #141 Posted December 20, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, username said: Nothing to see if you're closing your eyes 💁♂️ There's a lot of people having problems, good for you that you're not one of them. Pretending the issues don't exist is just ignorant. Have you actually read this thread (or the dozens of others)? Do you really think all these people just make these stories up, because they have nothing better to do with their time? Well.I understand you do not own a Leica? If so, you clearly have time to waste or you have ulterior motives posting here. What cameras do you own ? Thank you for pointing out my ignorance - that is very helpful indeed and much-appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 20, 2024 Posted December 20, 2024 Hi JNK100, Take a look here M11 service problems: a sign of bigger underlying issues. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
username Posted December 20, 2024 Share #142 Posted December 20, 2024 @Derbyshire Man ..absolutely, the sports guys and everybody needing the super tele lenses / the best AF available will choose something different than Leica anyway - yet I know lots of photographers that do events / reportage / editoral stuff, and all of them would love to use the equipment - yet they don't, and it's not because of the outlay (could expense this anyway), it's simply because the gear is not reliable enough 💁♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted December 20, 2024 Share #143 Posted December 20, 2024 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: It's never a problem finding username on the forum - just look for a thread reporting a problem with a Leica item. But we must make allowances - he/she doesn't have any Leicas of their own to complain about. Cool, now you switch to speaking of me in the third person as well, on top of just being oblivious to the fact that there really are issues - yes, even though your cameras are fine. Putting you on ignore as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 20, 2024 Share #144 Posted December 20, 2024 1 minute ago, username said: Cool, now you switch to speaking of me in the third person as well, on top of just being oblivious to the fact that there really are issues - yes, even though your cameras are fine. Putting you on ignore as well. We lack a name to call you by. That list must be getting long. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted December 20, 2024 Share #145 Posted December 20, 2024 17 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: We lack a name to call you by. That list must be getting long. Yes, not having a name is unhelpful. I see no response to my question asking which cameras 'username' uses. This speaks volumes.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted December 20, 2024 Share #146 Posted December 20, 2024 (edited) 26 minutes ago, JNK100 said: This speaks volumes.... I am becoming more convinced we are dealing with a mischievous youth with a mischievous youth's funds. Time to ignore. Edited December 20, 2024 by pedaes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted December 21, 2024 Share #147 Posted December 21, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) I won't buy what username is selling, but I also won't buy local hero's 'nothing to see here' either. First M6 (used, 1996) back to Leica NJ three times for a light leak. M6TTL, M7, etc all good. R8 that scratched film. Leica NJ replaced a bare 28mm bayonet with a 24mm six bit after three months waiting for the 'right' part. M8 back to Leica straight out of the box (and then they replaced my black with a silver without saying anything). M9: few issues other than needing a new sensor and a trip or two for rf calibration. Same with M9M. M10: no issues M10-R black paint: RF needed calibration out of the box (Leica NJ said I was being too picky 🙄) Later the back buttons and screen would stop working above a certain temp. M10-M: vertical rf calibration off out of the box (sort of fixed it myself). Lenses: I've seen it all, stiff focus, out of calibration, wobbly fronts, etc, but generally pretty good. I almost always (have to) buy lenses used though. So I feel pretty 50/50 when it comes to Leica QC and repair. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 21, 2024 Share #148 Posted December 21, 2024 55 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: I also won't buy local hero's 'nothing to see here' either How do you read that into what I have posted? My post #141 at the top of this page simply reported my experience - and noted that I have a problem with Leica repair - the subject of this thread. See my post #26 🤷♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Puglia Posted January 29 Share #149 Posted January 29 On 10/13/2023 at 6:59 AM, Patrickfoley@mac.com said: Back in early May my M11, then just over a year old, started failing to recognise Leica lenses attached. It didn't happen all the time, but often enough to be a real nuisance. And, when it did this, the shutter mechanism also seems to develop some kind of fault, sounding like it was firing several times for each shot (although only one image was recorded). I took the camera into Leica Mayfair in London, who told me it would have to be repaired in Germany, which apparently would take "around three months". Yesterday I got my camera back, after over five months and following a number of update requests from me. According to the invoice (no charge because the camera is under warranty), Leica had done the following: Adjust range finder, Clean sensor, Adjust electrical./mech. assemblies, software update, cleaning, final inspection. I inserted a fully charged battery, formatted a card in the camera and went out, delighted to use the camera for the first time in five months. So imagine my frustration when the camera showed exactly the same problem shortly after taking my first photo. Indeed, having tried the camera several times, the problem seems to be worse, occuring every time I use it whereas before it was only occasional. When I tried again this morning, the camera recognised the lens (in this case a 35mm Summilux FLE) for one shot, then immediately switched to showing 'no lens' on the screen and reverted to the odd shutter noise. I have contacted Leica Mayfair and am waiting for their response. My experience raises a number of questions. Are Leica M series cameras now getting so complex that (1) new models are released before all the bugs are ironed out, (2) Leica's service facilities are unable to fix some problems, and (3) Leica's reputation for engineering excellence is at serious risk. My answer to all three is yes. And based on that, I am on the verge of selling all my M gear. Can anyone tell me why I should reconsider? Leica digital owners are in denial. I have had nothing but problems. Stick to Leica film cameras. My Oskar Barnack from 1930 still works as it should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 30 Share #150 Posted January 30 6 hours ago, Gerardo Puglia said: Leica digital owners are in denial. I have had nothing but problems. Stick to Leica film cameras. My Oskar Barnack from 1930 still works as it should. I think that may be a bit overstated. Plenty of Leica digital users have had no problems. Apart from the corrosion issue, my Monochrom hasn't missed a beat since I bought it 11 years ago. Though, I have to admit that my M9, M Edition 60, M10-D, SL have all failed and gone back to the Mothership. I doubt I will buy another digital Leica, and I will fall back on my M-A for the reasons you state. I will miss my Monochrom when it can no longer be repaired. Future colour digital photography (once my Leica's have died) will be with my X2D, or whatever replaces it ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 30 Share #151 Posted January 30 (edited) Everything I have, except M11s, is and was fine. M10 (traded for) M10R, M10M, Edition 60, M246, M-P 240, SL2, Q2, S 007, are flawless. Year on year. M11 is a transitional camera. We'll see where it goes next, up or down. The bear edition does not augur well. Fix the freezes instead of adding a damn bear. We can't bear the freezes. Give is an M11 Freezeless, don't put lipstick ("glossy black paint") on a pig instead. Edited January 30 by setuporg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas fry Posted January 30 Share #152 Posted January 30 I have a pair of M11-P's, one black one chrome and since the last couple of rounds of firmware updates they have been rock solid, I've have been travelling with photoshoots around UK and Europe and not one glitch......Back to M10 reliability...but with much better colours and contrast.... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30 Share #153 Posted January 30 On 12/20/2024 at 5:32 PM, Derbyshire Man said: I suspect it's rather that on top of the advantages of autofocus that a dSLR/mirrorless has for rapid fire, mission critical work, it helps that a Canon R5 mk2 with a 50mm 1.4 lens is £6k new rather than £12k. With that differential magnified for every lens. And for a working photojournalist/event/sports photographers a load are going to want access to zooms and practical telephotos. The number of people able to make their living from documentary photography is very small indeed. Many of the more famous professional photographers with a Leica demonstrate this by running courses to supplement income. Or maybe they do it for the love of other photographers😂 No access to long zooms etc? No affordable high quality lenses? Never heard of the L Alliance and SL system? Since the sixties Leica dedicated the M system to shorter focal lengths and the R system to the stuff that an SLR does better-at a price. Why should they change it now? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted January 31 Share #154 Posted January 31 16 hours ago, jaapv said: No access to long zooms etc? No affordable high quality lenses? Never heard of the L Alliance and SL system? Since the sixties Leica dedicated the M system to shorter focal lengths and the R system to the stuff that an SLR does better-at a price. Why should they change it now? I'm not arguing they should, I love the M for the tool it is, really excellent for reportage, travel, environmental portraiture. I was saying that in relation to sales volume to professionals the sports/PJ market is going to be larger than those other sectors and the M being a perfectly developed niche tool is itself not seeking to compete rather than it being a function of reliability. Having said that I've only ever experienced 1 week turn around for Fuji and Canon and currently have a lens in Germany that I'll not be seeing for 4-6 months, which is considerably longer than I've owned it for (current series lens although second hand - now second hand for obvious reasons!) I managed to cross thread the vertical adjustment cover screw and similarly, that now means at some point the camera is going to disappear for half a year. One of the reasons I learnt to self adjust is that it's not feasible to have minor recalibrations to the RF mechanism needing transfer to Germany and camera AWOL for 6 months at a time. They need a region centre in each country to reliably do this low level stuff on a bookable while you wait basis. They also need the same for returns to Wetzlar, bookable in advance with a 4 week notification that your slot is coming, many of the issues are minor annoyances rather than lethal and the camera is mostly operable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 31 Share #155 Posted January 31 According to my grapevine Leica is slowly getting a grip on turnaround times. The implementation of full service in the USA is helping. I know that the dot on the horizon is two weeks turnaround barring hiccups in the parts supply chain. Let’s see how far off that horizon is. Btw if I don’t feel like adjusting the RF myself I would not dream of sending it to Wetzlar. Any competent third party service can do it whilst you wait. I had a 55-135 TL spontaneously fall apart in three pieces and got a new one as “repair” within a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 31 Share #156 Posted January 31 6 hours ago, Derbyshire Man said: I managed to cross thread the vertical adjustment cover screw I did this too (and scratched the front of it but that's another story). I crossed screwed it and was frustrated because the alignment was still off. So I figured out the trick is to take the whole top off, place a drop of synthetic oil around the cover on the front (might not even need to actually), and then carefully push the cap from the inside of the top cover and wiggle it off. YMMV but it worked for me (and then again cross screwed once I had it back on again, though at least vertical rf calibration is right now, alas it's also front focusing and I couldn't loosen the arm screw for the life of me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 31 Share #157 Posted January 31 6 hours ago, jaapv said: barring hiccups in the parts supply chain. This is getting a bit bad excuse. Harbors are not being locked down anymore and containers are traveling wherever they want. The real cause is bad demand planning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 31 Share #158 Posted January 31 Yes, but there is no guarantee that specialized parts are available at the far-east factories Leica is but a small customer and has to wait for a slot in the production line. The shipping is not the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted January 31 Share #159 Posted January 31 7 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said: I did this too (and scratched the front of it but that's another story). I crossed screwed it and was frustrated because the alignment was still off. So I figured out the trick is to take the whole top off, place a drop of synthetic oil around the cover on the front (might not even need to actually), and then carefully push the cap from the inside of the top cover and wiggle it off. YMMV but it worked for me (and then again cross screwed once I had it back on again, though at least vertical rf calibration is right now, alas it's also front focusing and I couldn't loosen the arm screw for the life of me). That’s what I thought but I’ve got no idea how to take the top off a M11. I suppose a search may be in order! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 31 Share #160 Posted January 31 Just now, Derbyshire Man said: That’s what I thought but I’ve got no idea how to take the top off a M11. I suppose a search may be in order! Oh, that I'm not sure of. Dead easy on an M10. Hard part is getting the top back on with our messing up the seal. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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