chris7273 Posted September 17, 2023 Share #1 Posted September 17, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bad surprise yesterday : the small lever for the frame selection in the viewfinder was very loose. I thought it was broken but fortunately no : the flat cap is in fact a screw and after a few turns it was ok. Good… but I suppose that it will come loose again … bad design ? Bad quality control ? after the rubber eyecup that came loose and was lost, now this lever… what next ? The M11 is great but these details are quite annoying as I wonder if it’s still going to fall apart bit after bit 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted September 17, 2023 Share #2 Posted September 17, 2023 You’re too rough with your things. 😃 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpitt Posted September 17, 2023 Share #3 Posted September 17, 2023 If it is a screw. Then unscrew it fully, apply some nail polish to the screw thread and tighten it before the polish is dry. This way it will not come loose again (at least not as easy as it is now) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris7273 Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share #4 Posted September 18, 2023 11 hours ago, jdlaing said: You’re too rough with your things. 😃 Maybe…. Leica stuff was supposed to be over engineered… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris7273 Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, dpitt said: If it is a screw. Then unscrew it fully, apply some nail polish to the screw thread and tighten it before the polish is dry. This way it will not come loose again (at least not as easy as it is now) That’s what Leica advised too for the eyecup. Apparently there’s also a shortage of nail varnish in Germany as the factory relies on the end customer to perform the final assembly operation 🙂 Not very serious … not very “deutsche qualitat “ ..: Edited September 18, 2023 by chris7273 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpitt Posted September 18, 2023 Share #6 Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, chris7273 said: That’s what Leica advised too for the eyecup. Apparently there’s also a shortage of nail varnish in Germany as the factory relies on the end customer to perform the final assembly operation 🙂 Not very serious … not very “deutsche qualitat “ ..: It should not happen with a high end product. I agree. Maybe you could even turn in your camera to bring it up to specs (if it is quite new like I think it is). It could be worth an email to Leica customer service, because it is the second issue with the same body. Edited September 18, 2023 by dpitt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris7273 Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted September 18, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the M11 body since January. Leica sent me an extra eyecup for free and very quickly, so I was happy and thought : "ok, bad luck, it happens and it's solved"... but now the lever..... then ???? maybe the shutter release will jump in the air ? or the hotshoe will escape ? the battery release ? the iso wheel ? We'll see. I am waiting for the next incident but I imagine the scenario when I go to the shop where I bought it : "we will send it back to the factory and you should get it back next year... maybe... ". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted September 18, 2023 Share #8 Posted September 18, 2023 Come on guys, screws DO get loose under certain conditions. Maybe the camera was subjected to vibrations for an extended period of time? Such as in an overhead airplane locker for example? IF a screw becomes loose, simply retighten it and all is well. I have had screws become loose on my various bicycles, cars, motorcycles and other devices, it is not unheard of and is an easy fix. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris7273 Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share #9 Posted September 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, wizard said: Come on guys, screws DO get loose under certain conditions. Maybe the camera was subjected to vibrations for an extended period of time? Such as in an overhead airplane locker for example? IF a screw becomes loose, simply retighten it and all is well. I have had screws become loose on my various bicycles, cars, motorcycles and other devices, it is not unheard of and is an easy fix. I am used to old cars and guitars... I am quite tolerant but here "NO" : yes it's just a screw but no, it's not normal to get this result for this kind of new high-end equipment. I use my camera, but I am careful (who wouldn't with a 8000 euros thing...). That's just loose design or loose QC. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted September 18, 2023 Share #10 Posted September 18, 2023 vor 3 Stunden schrieb chris7273: I am quite tolerant but here "NO" Well, each to this own, but I for one would not be bothered by a loose screw (unless it was me who tightened it before), let alone have a loose screw spoil my experience with a new camera. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris7273 Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share #11 Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, wizard said: Well, each to this own, but I for one would not be bothered by a loose screw (unless it was me who tightened it before), let alone have a loose screw spoil my experience with a new camera. indeed : "to each their own".... I am just simply not happy with a new high-end camera with bits falling appart... nothing important, just a first world problem... I just hope that it's an isolated problem (humour : I am still searching for the good screwdriver 🙂 ) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited September 18, 2023 by chris7273 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/382130-frameline-selector-almost-fell-off/?do=findComment&comment=4860033'>More sharing options...
wizard Posted September 19, 2023 Share #12 Posted September 19, 2023 vor 17 Stunden schrieb chris7273: I am still searching for the good screwdriver 🙂 Leica used to be more pragmatic here. M cameras like the M2 and M3 had two point shaped recessions on the top surface of that screw, which could be engaged by a correspondingly shaped screwdriver. With the flat design of current M cameras, what you need is a special clamping tool for clamping the edge of the screw and then tighten it. However, putting a piece of rubber between the screw's surface and your finger to enhance friction will likely enable you to tighten the screw as needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 19, 2023 Share #13 Posted September 19, 2023 Screws tend to get loose, with film Ms the rewind crank had a tendency to. separate...(and the selftimer, and yes, the frameselector lever). It happens- even astronauts carry a screwdriver. Just tighten and carry on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted September 19, 2023 Share #14 Posted September 19, 2023 Ring spanners. Available on Amazon (and elsewhere). Just do a search on the words "Leica repair tools"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrickfoley@mac.com Posted September 19, 2023 Share #15 Posted September 19, 2023 11 hours ago, jaapv said: Screws tend to get loose, with film Ms the rewind crank had a tendency to. separate...(and the selftimer, and yes, the frameselector lever). It happens- even astronauts carry a screwdriver. Just tighten and carry on. This is too complacent. The frame selector lever (and its screw) fell off my M11 Monochrom when it was about 3 weeks old. If I hadn’t been in very quiet place i wouldn’t have noticed, but fortunately I heard a very small sound as it hit the road. ‘Tighten and carry on’ would not have worked if I hadn’t heard that sound. Leica Mayfair tightened it up for me after I had screwed it back on. I don’t think this kind of issue is good enough for a new ( and expensive) camera. I speak as someone who is still awaiting the return of my M11 five months after I took it in for a warranty repair. I am seriously contemplating selling all my M cameras and lenses as a result. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 19, 2023 Share #16 Posted September 19, 2023 That is your privilege. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodolights Posted September 26, 2023 Share #17 Posted September 26, 2023 I guess the right tool here would be the hydro spanner. had the same problem with the M10 a few years ago. I put on some low strength Loctite and never had a problem again. Until my camera got soaked with water. It’s kaputt now… the screw is still tight nonetheless. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted September 26, 2023 Share #18 Posted September 26, 2023 just dont over tighten it even with the designated spanner, i once broke it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makage Posted September 27, 2023 Share #19 Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) On 9/18/2023 at 10:02 PM, chris7273 said: indeed : "to each their own".... I am just simply not happy with a new high-end camera with bits falling appart... nothing important, just a first world problem... I just hope that it's an isolated problem (humour : I am still searching for the good screwdriver 🙂 ) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I’ve been using my M10R for 2 years and nothing has come loose. I wouldn’t accept the answer that “this is the way it is”. It’s not the way it is. Especially since you’ve only had it a few months. I would take it as a warning sign of things to come. Now it’s literally your move. Edited September 27, 2023 by Makage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makage Posted September 27, 2023 Share #20 Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) . Edited September 27, 2023 by Makage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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