The New M6 and its redesigned parts

[andrew01]

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On 9/12/2023 at 12:56 PM, 250swb said:

The bubble created by the Leica brochures and manuals did cause some people to live in that bubble, and still does. But I doubt the Leica high ups would have signed off on photos of people with their guts blown out to show the reality that the M camera was a professional camera. 

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What’s the SLR he is carrying? Topcon?

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On 9/12/2023 at 10:24 PM, Anbaric said:

 But I'd be surprised if there are many young professional photographers doing the kind of serious work either of these legends were doing before they became famous who would select a Leica today. For one thing, how could they justify the expense?

That’s pretty damming of photographers who believe in their art or professionalism. I wouldn’t try to convince anybody to spend more than they can afford, but I would encourage an artist to invest in themselves. Art is work, not a pastime, but as work would an electrician or a carpenter cut back on their tools? I mean, just buying a van can be many thousands of dollars for a tradesman, far more than any Leica. But an artist or professional photographer knows what they need, it’s an amateur who dithers.

Edited September 15, 2023 by 250swb

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On 9/12/2023 at 11:20 PM, Huss said:

Land Rover Defenders.  Near identical...

 

 

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 There’s always the Ineos Grenadier which is the true continuation of the ‘old’ Defender

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3 hours ago, 250swb said:

 There’s always the Ineos Grenadier which is the true continuation of the ‘old’ Defender

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That would have been really cool and impressive if it came out 15 years ago.

But today with vehicles like the new LandCruiser, the old and still incredible 4Runner TRD , Wrangler Rubicons and Broncos?  They all offer much more capability and practicality.  You can't even fold down the rear seat on the Ineos as they have a battery under there.

But the Ineos looks cool, so there's that.

This is an actual honest, real review.  Not a press junket:

 

[Anbaric]

On 9/15/2023 at 9:37 PM, 250swb said:

That’s pretty damming of photographers who believe in their art or professionalism. I wouldn’t try to convince anybody to spend more than they can afford, but I would encourage an artist to invest in themselves. Art is work, not a pastime, but as work would an electrician or a carpenter cut back on their tools? I mean, just buying a van can be many thousands of dollars for a tradesman, far more than any Leica. But an artist or professional photographer knows what they need, it’s an amateur who dithers.

Yes, professionals know what they need, but today that's much less likely to be a Leica. If they want a mirrorless camera, they can find something that's more capable or cheaper than an SL2 that (crucially) they can get serviced in a reasonable time, and buy bread and butter prime lenses with stellar performance for hundreds rather than thousands of pounds, though they are more likely to pick zooms. If they want a rangefinder, Leica is the only choice, but how many professionals today prefer a rangefinder, especially one that might have to go back to Wetzlar for months if anything goes wrong? The number is not zero, obviously, but there are reasons why Leica have this market to themselves (and they have to make expensive cameras or they could not survive in this niche, hence the shift further upmarket).

When Steve McCurry was a young photographer who could not attract sponsorship deals, he chose a Nikon SLR. His most famous image was probably shot with a humble FM2 and 105/2.5 - would it have been any better if he'd used a Leica? The gear, beyond a certain level that any system professionals are likely to buy easily meets, is nowhere near the most important thing needed to make a worthwhile photograph. If a professional chef wants a good knife, they probably buy something practical in the £50-£300 range. The companies that sell those beautifully made luxury kitchen knives with Damascus steel blades, which cost thousands of pounds each, are serving a different market - people who appreciate the craftmanship and the quality of an artisan product that is a joy to use, but are perhaps less concerned about whether it really makes their food taste any better, or what happens if it's dropped on its point in the kitchen of a busy restaurant.

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On 9/15/2023 at 9:49 PM, 250swb said:

 There’s always the Ineos Grenadier which is the true continuation of the ‘old’ Defender

They look most like the old Defender but otherwise it's another toy for the Chelsea set. The nearest 4X4 on the market today closest to Land Rover DNA is the Suzuki Jimny (it's small but is actually the same size as the Series 1 Landy).

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On 9/12/2023 at 10:01 PM, Al Brown said:

You had the old MG and the new Chinese MG?

The MG3 is very much in the mold of many of the MG saloons of old....

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On 9/11/2023 at 7:46 PM, Huss said:

T'was me.  But after the film scratching debacle which took Leica months to fix I lost interest in sending my camera out again.

There definitely is a new part, comparing my M6 to my MP.  The rangefinder patch has rounded corners on the M6 vs squared off ones on my MP.  If someone has a new 2022/23 MP, can they confirm if their RF patch is rounded or squared off?

Very late 2022/very early 2023 MP. 

They are rounded. 

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Edited December 28, 2023 by Borda

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12 minutes ago, Borda said:

Very late 2022/very early 2023 MP. 

They are rounded. 

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And 20 years old M7 upgraded finder. The corners are squared. Interesting. 

[Aussierob78]

I have a new M6, built on 22/09/2023 - Patch has rounded corners

[gaheris]

On 9/12/2023 at 1:46 AM, Huss said:

T'was me.  But after the film scratching debacle which took Leica months to fix I lost interest in sending my camera out again.

There definitely is a new part, comparing my M6 to my MP.  The rangefinder patch has rounded corners on the M6 vs squared off ones on my MP.  If someone has a new 2022/23 MP, can they confirm if their RF patch is rounded or squared off?

I have just acquired a NOV 2023 MP. It has an RF patch with rounded corners. 

[cj3209]

So does the rounded corners means it's a newer RF?  My 2020 MA is square.  😀

[logan2z]

3 hours ago, cj3209 said:

So does the rounded corners means it's a newer RF?  My 2020 MA is square.  😀

No, it just means that Leica is literally cutting corners 😉

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[RobW0]

MP (2003) square

M10-R (2021) square

M-A (09/2022) square

M11-P (07/2023) rounded

 

 

[69xchange]

Newer MP and reissued M6 have rounded corners because they share the same rangefinder, but newer M-A are squared.

[Helge]

Am 11.9.2023 um 19:24 schrieb Al Brown:

Someone here (do not remember who) wanted to pay DAG $500 to open up the new M6 and check if it is just a MP inside. Not sure if that has manifested.

I‘m pretty sure that the vast majority of parts inside is absolutely identical!

Why shouldn‘t it? Both cameras are anyway identical regards function.

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12 hours ago, Helge said:

I‘m pretty sure that the vast majority of parts inside is absolutely identical!

Why shouldn‘t it? Both cameras are anyway identical regards function.

It was wording during the product release that may have suggested that. I don't remember exactly but something may have been lost in translation and they probably meant compared to the original M6.

[a.noctilux]

Do people think that the next "anniversary" M6 will have the old type zinc top plate ?

How about the "only" two arrows red LED thing ( no center LED ) ?

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M6 (1986) square

MP (2004) square

MP (2007) square

 

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[Helge]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb a.noctilux:

Do people think that the next "anniversary" M6 will have the old type zinc top plate ?

How about the "only" two arrows red LED thing ( no center LED ) ?

Since both require some major and expensive changes (either to a die cast tool or to the PCB), I‘m pretty confident neither will happen. An „anniversary“ M6 would be expensive and probably not been sold in large quantities.