Q3 exposure issue.

[FusionX.Photo]

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6 minutes ago, StefanoGili said:

THIS IS THE BUG:

Look at the white column, how becomes darker when I half press the shutter button

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W38ANJMVNpdghD_H2fXDrC2SOZZYM2Dx/view?usp=drive_link

That's not a bug it's just demonstrating that your exposure is slightly off, any criticism of the camera should be as follows;

1/ Not enough increments on shutter speed, 60-125-250-500-1000-2000 isn't great, should be more options such as 60-80-100-125-150 etc.

2/ The meter at the bottom of the screen is showing that it's perfectly exposed, it isn't. Actually it's more accurate than say Sony where the meter could show perfect exposure at 3 different shutter speeds with same aperture and ISO so I would say it's closer / accurate than Sony, but no camera has a perfect display when relaying info to the user. It could be argued that in 2023 it should but hey ho it is what it is, plus we have eyes so the choice is very slightly over expose or very slightly under expose.

 

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[StefanoGili]

7 minutes ago, FusionX.Photo said:

That's not a bug it's just demonstrating that your exposure is slightly off, any criticism of the camera should be as follows;

1/ Not enough increments on shutter speed, 60-125-250-500-1000-2000 isn't great, should be more options such as 60-80-100-125-150 etc.

2/ The meter at the bottom of the screen is showing that it's perfectly exposed, it isn't. Actually it's more accurate than say Sony where the meter could show perfect exposure at 3 different shutter speeds with same aperture and ISO so I would say it's closer / accurate than Sony, but no camera has a perfect display when relaying info to the user. It could be argued that in 2023 it should but hey ho it is what it is, plus we have eyes so the choice is very slightly over expose or very slightly under expose.

 

It can not be a bug, but when the camera tests the aperture less light enters the optic and the "real" exposure, doesn't match the one claculated by the camera... That's why many people are experiencing slightly overexposed photos on their cameras. What is annoying is the exposure flickering you notice, every time you half press the shutter button, something that i've never experienced with Sony, nor with Olympus and others. 

[Igster]

This pesky bug has been squashed with the new FW 1.2.0! Leica rumors mentioned it and I just tested it... pretty stoked about that. 

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by Igster

[SrMi]

On 8/4/2023 at 6:25 AM, StefanoGili said:

THIS IS THE BUG:

Look at the white column, how becomes darker when I half press the shutter button

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W38ANJMVNpdghD_H2fXDrC2SOZZYM2Dx/view?usp=drive_link

When you half-press the shutter, the aperture closes to the working aperture, DOF is changed, and the brightness can change slightly. The slight brightness change in EVF/LCD is irrelevant as it should not be used to judge the exposure.

[Gavin Cato]

On 8/8/2023 at 4:15 AM, Igster said:

This pesky bug has been squashed with the new FW 1.2.0! Leica rumors mentioned it and I just tested it... pretty stoked about that. 

Still happening to me on v1.2

 

[StefanoGili]

14 hours ago, Gavin Cato said:

Still happening to me on v1.2

 

Even to me, yesterday i was shooting backlight using 1000 speed and 100 iso... the image was really dark, since i was shooting a guy playing basket, i had to look at his movements, using AfS it was ok, but with AfC it was impossible to follow the guy and look at the display to see what he was doing, i was focusing and tracking and the display was so dark i can't even see what the guy was doing... Maybe was even my screen backlight setting, but i was shooting at sunset...not direct sunlight on the display... Very annoying..

[Leica Steve]

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I too have the same issue.  Settings:  PASM, Auto ISO, AFc.  Image exposure is properly set, half press shutter, display and/or EVF gets very dark.  At that point, if I fully press the shutter, the pictures is taken , and it is the image is the correct exposure (although it looked way off during the half shutter press).  This does NOT happen when using AFs.  It does happen using AFc, and iAF.  This issue happens consistantly.  My firmware is 2.0.1.

***I have also noticed that this problem does NOT happen when using manual focus!  Using manual focus, the display shows the proper image exposure in the display and EVF in AFc, AFs, and iAF.***

 

[jaapv]

It seems to me that your exposure preview setting is incorrect. Reset the camera to factory settings and set your choices one by one. Check after each change to find the point at which it goes wrong. 

[Leica Steve]

Thanks for your help, much appreciated.  In looking into this topic a bit more, I found this related thread (below).  It seems as this is possibly a known bug and acknowledged by the Leica team.  I have not seen a fix as of yet.  I’m not sure why you can’t see a correct exposure preview in AFc shooting manual with shutter half pressed.

 

[M11 for me]

You are right. I always claimed this as a bug. But in my Q3 with the recent firmware update it seems to be fixed (in my Q3 anyway). But I do not understand why not all Q3 work the same way.

[Pelu2010]

On 8/4/2023 at 3:25 PM, StefanoGili said:

THIS IS THE BUG:

Look at the white column, how becomes darker when I half press the shutter button

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W38ANJMVNpdghD_H2fXDrC2SOZZYM2Dx/view?usp=drive_link

The link does not work

[Leica Steve]

 

14 hours ago, M11 for me said:

You are right. I always claimed this as a bug. But in my Q3 with the recent firmware update it seems to be fixed (in my Q3 anyway). But I do not understand why not all Q3 work the same way.

I do not understand this phenomena either—why yours seems to be working correctly and mine doesn’t. I’m also wondering if anyone else has the same issue with the Q3 in PASM, AFc, and screen going dark with shutter half pressed.  It really bothers me that this is happening on such an expensive camera.  Guess I need to reach out to Leica for more information.

[Steve Babuljak]

I’ve had this issue in my Q2 (which I sold because of) and also seen it in my friend’s Q3 and SL2. I shoot commercial advertising with Sony and Fuji and have never seen any other camera system do this. Regardless of what “proper exposure” should be, exposure preview should show you what your current settings look like. I found that when in manual ss/aper/iso (with PASM) the half press on the shutter, especially in backlit environments, will display what the camera thinks is proper exposure. The captured image will in fact look like the image with my manual settings, but this half press preview image is really distracting and I can’t see my subject face at the time of capture because the screen will darken. The opposite will happen too when trying to under expose the image intentionally, the preview will flash brighter. 
 

I’ve also discovered the LUMIX cameras do this too. 

It’s not a bug it’s just bad engineering. 

My fingers are crossed the SL3 has this fixed as I’d love to switch over having loved the image quality from my M11.