pedaes Posted June 21, 2023 Share #41 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 minutes ago, RexGig0 said: Sorry, but I am not buying the grounds for a lawsuit against Leica. If you read the posts you will see it is only the OP, a fellow ex-policeman, who thinks this route is justified and will be successful. Edited June 21, 2023 by pedaes 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Hi pedaes, Take a look here Leica m10R Body, ‘water’ problems ???. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted June 21, 2023 Share #42 Posted June 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, RexGig0 said: Sorry, but I am not buying the grounds for a lawsuit against Leica. The vehicle may have an unnoticed leak, perhaps? This damage looks as if it could be intentional. Perhaps someone, who is passive-aggressive, dislikes the author of the original post? (I have seen some amazingly sneaky, insidious cases of the latter.) I am not a lawyer. I claim no “expert” status, but, was a police officer, for 33+ years, and specialized in evidentiary/forensic/crime scene photography, and physical evidence collection, during the final seven years. As has been mentioned often in this thread a lawsuit would be futile. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted June 21, 2023 Share #43 Posted June 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, pedaes said: If you read the posts you will see it is only the OP, a fellow ex-policeman, who thinks this route is justified and will be successful. 8 minutes ago, jaapv said: As has been mentioned often in this thread a lawsuit would be futile. True, and true. I wanted my post to be able to stand, on its own. Making the case. 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 21, 2023 Share #44 Posted June 21, 2023 Actually it would be rather counterproductive as it will scupper any goodwill gesture that Leica might be contemplating. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted June 21, 2023 Share #45 Posted June 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, jaapv said: Actually it would be rather counterproductive as it will scupper any goodwill gesture that Leica might be contemplating. True. I meant that I was making my case, not making the OP’s case. 🙂 The images do not support a case against Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willuiijf Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share #46 Posted June 21, 2023 The battery looks fine, no damage on eyesight, for the rest intresting to read all the comments and remarks, M users have a lot of fantasy 🙂 I only have one foto of the the original battery, see enclosed, and the spare one, original no damage and both the same weight! And what was fluid once it happens is now hard and white. Regards and awaiting other theories! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378548-leica-m10r-body-%E2%80%98water%E2%80%99-problems/?do=findComment&comment=4798444'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 21, 2023 Share #47 Posted June 21, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) The only thing these photos prove is the ingress from the outside of a corrosive fluid. That contradicts the case history. There is nothing inside the camera that could conceivably produce such a fluid, or any fluid at all. If you want to find out the cause you need a chemical analysis. The only tenable hypothesis right now is that somebody broke into your car, immersed the camera into a tub of seawater or acid for a while and returned it… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted June 21, 2023 Share #48 Posted June 21, 2023 Were you parked in Kingston Falls? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted June 21, 2023 Share #49 Posted June 21, 2023 vor einer Stunde schrieb Willuiijf: Regards and awaiting other theories! Well, if the batteries have not leaked (and they would need to have leaked a massive amount), then you are the person best suited to come up with other theories, as only you will know what may have happened. As I said before, think laterally and do not rule out the impossible prematurely. One thing is clear though, there is nothing inside the camera that could have resulted in that kind of debris, regardless of whether the camera was exposed to exceedingly high or very low temparatures. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted June 21, 2023 Share #50 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Willuiijf said: The battery looks fine The first pic looks like the back of a M10 battery (there should be a Leica Camera sticker on other side), but it should only have four visible contacts on the end. What is the second pic of? Edited June 21, 2023 by pedaes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted June 21, 2023 Share #51 Posted June 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Al Brown said: The SD Card. Thanks - but why the double row of contacts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFo Posted June 21, 2023 Share #52 Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, pedaes said: Thanks - but why the double row of contacts? That's a high speed card like for video. I have some and have used them in my M10P - they work fin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted June 21, 2023 Share #53 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) Ok, thought the label on the battery looked backwards (it is from mine) but with some searching appears that that might be the way it is printed for the Asian market. EU as well? Edited June 21, 2023 by charlesphoto99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted June 21, 2023 Share #54 Posted June 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: (it is from mine) Mine is as you describe and not as photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted June 21, 2023 Share #55 Posted June 21, 2023 vor 5 Stunden schrieb Willuiijf: The battery looks fine, no damage on eyesight, for the rest intresting to read all the comments and remarks, M users have a lot of fantasy 🙂 I only have one foto of the the original battery, see enclosed, and the spare one, original no damage and both the same weight! And what was fluid once it happens is now hard and white. Regards and awaiting other theories! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! As Jaap already mentioned, the only way to get an explication is to scratch some of the white powder of and to sent it to a chemical laboratory for analysis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Blanko Posted June 21, 2023 Share #56 Posted June 21, 2023 It seems that the inner side of the viewfinder window is contaminated with this mysterious white substance. This would mean that the camera was flooded with some kind of liquid. 🤔 Looks like the result of gorilla style sensor cleaning ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siriusone59 Posted June 22, 2023 Share #57 Posted June 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Robert Blanko said: Looks like the result of gorilla style sensor cleaning ... With a pressure washer no doubt.😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 22, 2023 Share #58 Posted June 22, 2023 13 hours ago, satijntje said: As Jaap already mentioned, the only way to get an explication is to scratch some of the white powder of and to sent it to a chemical laboratory for analysis. I suspect it is Aluminum and Magnesium salts from the corroded inner frame of the camera. The other strange thing is the lens. It must have been immersed at the same time to look like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboy Posted June 22, 2023 Share #59 Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, jaapv said: The only thing these photos prove is the ingress from the outside of a corrosive fluid. That contradicts the case history. There is nothing inside the camera that could conceivably produce such a fluid, or any fluid at all. If you want to find out the cause you need a chemical analysis. The only tenable hypothesis right now is that somebody broke into your car, immersed the camera into a tub of seawater or acid for a while and returned it… Definitely looks like salt residue. Perhaps salt water had been transferred unknowingly through a medium like a damp towel... Only way to be certain is to open and inspect the inside if there's corrosion https://petapixel.com/2020/08/31/this-dead-10000-camera-shows-the-danger-of-salt-water/ Edited June 22, 2023 by cboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted June 22, 2023 Share #60 Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, cboy said: Definitely looks like salt residue. Perhaps salt water had been transferred unknowingly through a medium like a damp towel... Only way to be certain is to open and inspect the inside if there's corrosion https://petapixel.com/2020/08/31/this-dead-10000-camera-shows-the-danger-of-salt-water/ I had my black paint M10-R absolutely drenched in Hawaii from surf spray, a few times. I certainly wiped it down immediately with what was left dry of my shirt, and then a good wipe down with tap water back at the condo, but no water entered through the baseplate or lens mount, or anywhere else. It would have to be a seriously wet towel to do what the o.p. says/shows came out of the interior of the camera. I still don’t think we’re getting the full story…. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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