sometimesmaybe Posted April 21, 2023 Share #41 Posted April 21, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) LR and DxO both look good. more competition means better products for all of us. i just wonder if software development (i dont mean fake AI images) is going to outstrip hardware development in the next 5 years 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 Hi sometimesmaybe, Take a look here Lightroom Classic update AI noise reduction. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
M11 for me Posted April 22, 2023 Share #42 Posted April 22, 2023 vor 12 Stunden schrieb sometimesmaybe: i just wonder if software development (i dont mean fake AI images) is going to outstrip hardware development in the next 5 years That is an interesting point. As it was said above in an earlier post there are people who will keep their "old" cameras and use AI tools instead. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 22, 2023 Share #43 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) I certainly think there are issues to watch out for. I suspect AI software has some 'knowledge' of how a particular skin texture, eye, hair, material, or other object should look, and uses this to help rebuild a very noisy image - or an old, low res image. The dividing line between rebuilding an image based on what the noise patterns tell it about the original subject, and rebuilding an image based on what AI thinks ought to be there can be a bit blurred. Edited April 22, 2023 by LocalHero1953 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 22, 2023 Share #44 Posted April 22, 2023 vor 40 Minuten schrieb LocalHero1953: I certainly think there are issues to watch out for. I suspect AI software has some 'knowledge' of how a particular skin texture, eye, hair, material, or other object should look, and uses this to help rebuild a very noisy image - or an old, low res image. The dividing line between rebuilding an image based on what the noise patterns tell it about the original subject, and rebuilding an image based on what AI thinks ought to be there can be a bit blurred. You say that its better to buy a new camera. I like that. 😇 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirohhhh Posted April 23, 2023 Share #45 Posted April 23, 2023 I'm sorry if this was mentioned, I didn't read the whole thread, but I noticed some people deleted the original files after doing Denoise (my friend for example). Please don't do that! Although this new tool is impressive and does job quite good, this is just the beginning of the AI revolution and we'll have a lots of improvements in many aspects in the future, and you want to have the original file to play with. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 23, 2023 Share #46 Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, hirohhhh said: I'm sorry if this was mentioned, I didn't read the whole thread, but I noticed some people deleted the original files after doing Denoise (my friend for example). Please don't do that! Although this new tool is impressive and does job quite good, this is just the beginning of the AI revolution and we'll have a lots of improvements in many aspects in the future, and you want to have the original file to play with. Well, yes, if these are a limited number of fine images that you think still need improving and if you need AI to make good images. It may be heresy, but I don't think every image is worth it, even if taken with a Leica😉. In my case they are a couple of hundred images produced for current theatrical or performance publicity reasons. I don't want to keep improving them: they are 'good enough' or 'fit for purpose' as they are. I don't want twice as many large files as I need, and I already delete large numbers. I shall put my future efforts into taking better images, not recreating them later in a computer. The less I need the AI revolution to improve my images the better. YMMV. Edited April 23, 2023 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 23, 2023 Share #47 Posted April 23, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) The AI Denoise in Lightroom/ACR is certainly a very impressive feature. I went back to images made on a 10mp P&S that I'd shot in 2015 at 2500 ISO, and rather than remaining unused records of an occasion because of the very ugly colour noise they are now almost perfectly clean and fully usable. Not that I encourage anybody to wallow in the past spending too much time revisiting old work, but all those people who delete images on a regular basis have cause to kick themselves hard. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirohhhh Posted April 23, 2023 Share #48 Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: Well, yes, if these are a limited number of fine images that you think still need improving and if you need AI to make good images. It may be heresy, but I don't think every image is worth it, even if taken with a Leica😉. In my case they are a couple of hundred images produced for current theatrical or performance publicity reasons. I don't want to keep improving them: they are 'good enough' or 'fit for purpose' as they are. I don't want twice as many large files as I need, and I already delete large numbers. I shall put my future efforts into taking better images, not recreating them later in a computer. The less I need the AI revolution to improve my images the better. YMMV. Exactly my case. There are few dear ISO 6400+ images rated with 4 stars that could be a bit less noisy. I tried this feature on these images as I was curious to see the results. I didn't saved the new version, but at least I know, if I decide to print them again, or do anything with these photos, I can use Denoise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 23, 2023 Share #49 Posted April 23, 2023 9 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: Well, yes, if these are a limited number of fine images that you think still need improving and if you need AI to make good images. It may be heresy, but I don't think every image is worth it, even if taken with a Leica😉. In my case they are a couple of hundred images produced for current theatrical or performance publicity reasons. I don't want to keep improving them: they are 'good enough' or 'fit for purpose' as they are. I don't want twice as many large files as I need, and I already delete large numbers. I shall put my future efforts into taking better images, not recreating them later in a computer. The less I need the AI revolution to improve my images the better. YMMV. IMO, every good image is worthy of a reevaluation of post-processing after several years. Of course, that assumes that I do not stagnate as a photographer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted April 23, 2023 Share #50 Posted April 23, 2023 Regarding curves, would be great if one could only adjust luminance… nevertheless, the latest update is really great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted April 24, 2023 Share #51 Posted April 24, 2023 I thought this was luminance only? No? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/375698-lightroom-classic-update-ai-noise-reduction/?do=findComment&comment=4757185'>More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 24, 2023 Share #52 Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) Curve feature is indeed new as well within the set of tools. Edited April 24, 2023 by M11 for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted April 24, 2023 Share #53 Posted April 24, 2023 16 hours ago, marchyman said: I thought this was luminance only? No? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Not sure. Does it leaves saturation untouched? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted April 24, 2023 Share #54 Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said: Not sure. Does it leaves saturation untouched? It seems to. I adjusted luminance and saturation one at a time in the HSL/Color panel. I then checked curves checking the luminance button. Both global and masked gave me similar edits to adjusting the luminance sliders. I do note that dropping luminance on a blue sky, for example, gives a similar effect as to increasing its saturation. A look at the histogram shows the actual changes LrC is applying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted April 24, 2023 Share #55 Posted April 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, marchyman said: It seems to. I adjusted luminance and saturation one at a time in the HSL/Color panel. I then checked curves checking the luminance button. Both global and masked gave me similar edits to adjusting the luminance sliders. I do note that dropping luminance on a blue sky, for example, gives a similar effect as to increasing its saturation. A look at the histogram shows the actual changes LrC is applying. Pity, cause luminance should not alter the intensity. have to find a work around… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loe Posted April 28, 2023 Share #56 Posted April 28, 2023 Am 20.4.2023 um 04:49 schrieb david strachan: I'm disappointed the noise reduction is so slow on my computer...it's quite fast for numerous other programs on my Windows 10 platform with 16 GB memory and SSD drives. I've never had to question it's speed. Images take up to 45 minutes to process. I think it is my Graphics card... but who knows...it's always so complicated ... I have the exact same situation: Ai Denoising takes forever on my "old i7 8700K PC". But yesterday I found out the solution/ reason: LRC needs a GPU with tensor cores to efficiently calculate the AI NR. If your GPU doesn't have any, you're stuck with "forever" (my GTX 1060 6GB obviously has none). You need to get an at least a RTX 20xx (or newer like 30xx/ 40xx). Literally any model will do. Even a used 2060 should be able to reduce the >30 minutes to < 30 seconds (some one wrote somewhere 15-17s for an OM-1 Raw file using a 2060). People write the load on the GPU doesn't seem to be too high. So also older 20xx models will probably perform just fine. Newer Models could be a little bit (a couple of seconds) faster, but I think they are mainly more energy efficient. At least in Germany, the RTX 20xx are hard to come by and the used ones not that much cheaper (to feel like a good deal) than a new 3060 - so I ordered that one (350€ for the 3060 12GB version seemed reasonable for me). Hope my comment helps :-) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 28, 2023 Share #57 Posted April 28, 2023 On 4/24/2023 at 8:11 PM, marchyman said: It seems to. I adjusted luminance and saturation one at a time in the HSL/Color panel. I then checked curves checking the luminance button. Both global and masked gave me similar edits to adjusting the luminance sliders. I do note that dropping luminance on a blue sky, for example, gives a similar effect as to increasing its saturation. A look at the histogram shows the actual changes LrC is applying. I think this is inevitable. Luminance and saturation are linked in RGB by the same values, so changing one will change the other. If you want to adjust luminance and colour separately you must use the L*A*B* colourspace, which using means Luminar, Photoshop, RawTherapee or GIMP. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 28, 2023 Share #58 Posted April 28, 2023 I have been using both ACR Enhance and DXO side by side for a while now and I find the Adobe version too slow. Even though it is normally within a minute, it tests my patience. DXO is noticeably faster. I transfer the DXO file into ACR/PS for further editing and normally start off by running Topaz Photo AI. If you run the AI programs both, you can get results like these ranging from clean-natural to clearly processed. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/375698-lightroom-classic-update-ai-noise-reduction/?do=findComment&comment=4760072'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted May 4, 2023 Share #59 Posted May 4, 2023 On 4/28/2023 at 1:13 AM, jaapv said: I have been using both ACR Enhance and DXO side by side for a while now and I find the Adobe version too slow. Even though it is normally within a minute, it tests my patience. DXO is noticeably faster. I transfer the DXO file into ACR/PS for further editing and normally start off by running Topaz Photo AI. If you run the AI programs both, you can get results like these ranging from clean-natural to clearly processed. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Adobe NR runs about twice as fast on my Mac Studio (M1 Ultra, 128GB RAM) as DxO's DeepPRIMEXD (DPL and DPR). It takes less than 9 seconds for Adobe to denoise an SL2-S image and less than 13 seconds for SL2 files. When reporting performance differences, it would be good to report the system used. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 4, 2023 Share #60 Posted May 4, 2023 Max Mini M1 16 GB RAM. I am not surprised that everything runs fast on a powerhouse like you have. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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