evikne Posted April 11, 2023 Share #41  Posted April 11, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, darkspark said: The new 50lux with the new M11 Mono Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It looks a bit shorter than its predecessor, doesn't it? Length has always been one of my main complaints. The filter makes it look longer though. And it's a bit odd that they use one in the promotional images, since Leica has always discouraged the use of filters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 Hi evikne, Take a look here Brand new close focus Summilux-M 50 f/1.4 ASPH. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Marckyokay Posted April 11, 2023 Share #42  Posted April 11, 2023 3 hours ago, evikne said: It looks a bit shorter than its predecessor, doesn't it? Length has always been one of my main complaints. The filter makes it look longer though. And it's a bit odd that they use one in the promotional images, since Leica has always discouraged the use of filters. Could that be a yellow filter? Maybe because it’s an M Monochrom they show the lens with filter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 11, 2023 Share #43  Posted April 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Marckyokay said: Could that be a yellow filter? Maybe because it’s an M Monochrom they show the lens with filter. It could be. But I think it spoils the impression of the lens a bit, almost like having a picture of a new sports car with a roof rack. 😄 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marckyokay Posted April 11, 2023 Share #44  Posted April 11, 2023 2 hours ago, evikne said: It could be. But I think it spoils the impression of the lens a bit, almost like having a picture of a new sports car with a roof rack. 😄 Yeah, that's true. Maybe these leaks won't be the first official pictures of the lens. Showing the lens off by itself without filter... Then later we will get this combination with the Monochrom and filter attached. Can't imagine they promote the lens with filter, these are just leaks originating from the pool of promo pictures. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted April 11, 2023 Share #45  Posted April 11, 2023 8 hours ago, mediumformula said: It looks wider than the current 50 Lux Asph. The new one looks wider than the lens mount whereas the current 50 Lux barrel is the same width as the lens mount.  Personally, the only reason I could see wanting to update would be for a smaller, lighter 50 Lux. I find that new high performance Leica lenses are horribly fat and bigger. Leica was famous for its tiny and high-performing lenses, now its production is becoming a non-sense. Me and many other would pay lot of money for stellar performance in small package but not for stellar performance in can-size lenses......every optical firm can build them, nowadays. Heritage, pride and...Quality-Check are a bit lost, suddenly. 9 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted April 11, 2023 Share #46 Â Posted April 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, sarav said: I find that new high performance Leica lenses are horribly fat and bigger. Leica was famous for its tiny and high-performing lenses, now its production is becoming a non-sense. Me and many other would pay lot of money for stellar performance in small package but not for stellar performance in can-size lenses......every optical firm can build them, nowadays. Heritage, pride and...Quality-Check are a bit lost, suddenly. In this case, the increased girth is a good sign: I fell out with the current form 50mm Summilux ASPH as the helicoid proved over time to be too light weight to support smooth operation, given the weight of the front element group. If the mechanics have been improved, my faith may be restored. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 11, 2023 Share #47 Â Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) To me, length is more important than thickness. And if it's correct that the dimensions are equal to the new 35mm Summilux FLE II (46mm), it is 6 mm shorter than its predecessor, and even 1 mm shorter than my 50mm Summilux pre-ASPH! And that sounds great! Edited April 11, 2023 by evikne 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted April 11, 2023 Share #48 Â Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, derleicaman said: The Black Chrome version of the Summilux is an off shoot of the lens I specified for the LHSA MP3 kit. The heavy brass lens body was Leica's way of accomplishing the "classic" look of the lens, based on the original Summilux 50 with its beautiful scalloped focusing ring. The LHSA and BC versions are much heavier than the original Summilux lens, and it is slightly larger than that lens as well. Until you hold the lens in your hand, you don't realize how heavy it is. The heavier mount also dampens the focusing action and enhances the feel as well, and this lens does not have the complaints in this regard that the original 50 Summilux ASPH has had. I have a BC version of the lens as well, and it is a lump to carry around! But look at the results you get with it, and the wonderful haptics, and it is well worth it! I love the 35 Summicron M Asph Black Chrome and the 50 Summilux M Black Chrome for the reasons you state above. Â Purchased both when they came out. Edited April 11, 2023 by rsh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marckyokay Posted April 11, 2023 Share #49  Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, FrozenInTime said: In this case, the increased girth is a good sign: I fell out with the current form 50mm Summilux ASPH as the helicoid proved over time to be too light weight to support smooth operation, given the weight of the front element group. If the mechanics have been improved, my faith may be restored. So true. Impossible to find a perfectly smoothly focusing current 50ASPH… all good and good-enough for operation, but with that heritage and price tag good-enough doesn’t feel right… This will certainly be improved with the increased girth and improved engineering. But damn that older brass chrome version is a beauty and hard to sell 😂 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jürgen Posted April 11, 2023 Share #50  Posted April 11, 2023 I love my nearly five years old Apo-Summicron-M 2/50mm. Compact and incredible good optic! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosh1 Posted April 11, 2023 Share #51  Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, evikne said: To me, length is more important than thickness. And if it's correct that the dimensions are equal to the new 35mm Summilux FLE II (46mm), it is 6 mm shorter than its predecessor, and even 1 mm shorter than my 50mm Summilux pre-ASPH! And that sounds great! Looking at the images mounted on the camera, it's the same diameter as the 35mm FLE II but longer. Measuring the length in the photo and converting to mm I get a length of 52.7mm. The current 50mm Summilix-M FLE lists as 53.5 long. Given errors in my measurements against a photo it's probably the same length or only around 1mm shorter than the current 50mm. However, it's quite a bit thicker (58mm vs 52.5mm) and I think that gives the illusion it's shorter in the photos. Edited April 11, 2023 by mosh1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 11, 2023 Share #52  Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, mosh1 said: Looking at the images mounted on the camera, it's the same diameter as the 35mm FLE II but longer. Measuring the length in the photo and converting to mm I get a length of 52.7mm. The current 50mm Summilix-M FLE lists as 53.5 long. Given errors in my measurements against a photo it's probably the same length or only around 1mm shorter than the current 50mm. However, it's quite a bit thicker (58mm vs 52.5mm) and I think that gives the illusion it's shorter in the photos. This poster says it has a similar design and size as the Summilux-M 35 f/1.4 ASPH (FLE II), which it is stated to have a length of 46 mm. But I look forward to getting the final answer at the launch in a few days. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 11, 2023 by evikne Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/375297-brand-new-close-focus-summilux-m-50-f14-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4748001'>More sharing options...
mosh1 Posted April 11, 2023 Share #53  Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, evikne said: This poster says it has a similar design and size as the Summilux-M 35 f/1.4 ASPH (FLE II), which it is stated to have a length of 46 mm. But the exact dimensions remain to be seen at the launch in a few days.  Here's a comparison pic I did against the 35mm FLE II (sized so the bayonet mounts are the same). I think this will be accurate, it will be the same length or maybe only 1mm shorter than the current 50mm FLE. Yes it is 'similar' but not the same. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 11, 2023 by mosh1 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/375297-brand-new-close-focus-summilux-m-50-f14-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4748020'>More sharing options...
philipj Posted April 11, 2023 Share #54 Â Posted April 11, 2023 I wonder if this is the Apo-Summicron-SL-ification of the Summilux-M lens lineup, in the sense of a more highly standardised industrial design across the board for new 'lux-M lenses. I just picked up a copy of the still-current 50'lux-M asph. last month, and I don't prefer this new style of industrial design if it is indeed going to become the standard for new lenses, particularly the loss of the ribbed focusing ring. This is in contrast, too, with the recent 35mm Apo-Summicron-M, which did have a nice ribbed focusing ring spanning almost the entire circumference of the lens (interrupted only by the tab), more like the still-current 50'lux asph.'s industrial design than either of the new updated Summilux-M lenses. Will be interesting to see what design decisions get made as more new lenses (and close-focusing updates of the rest of the current lineup) are released. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosh1 Posted April 11, 2023 Share #55  Posted April 11, 2023 Added the current 50 FLE I in my comparison image. So 35MM FLE II, 50mm FLE II, 50MM FLE I. The new lens will weigh noticeably more. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/375297-brand-new-close-focus-summilux-m-50-f14-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4748029'>More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 11, 2023 Share #56  Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, mosh1 said: Added the current 50 FLE I in my comparison image. So 35MM FLE II, 50mm FLE II, 50MM FLE I. The new lens will weigh noticeably more. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I think "similar size" is a misleading expression of Leica if it does not mean "same size". 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimar Posted April 11, 2023 Share #57  Posted April 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, mosh1 said: Added the current 50 FLE I in my comparison image. So 35MM FLE II, 50mm FLE II, 50MM FLE I. The new lens will weigh noticeably more. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! that doesn’t look right. you should be able to resize the right lens so the mount is the same size as the others to get a proper in proportion image. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosh1 Posted April 11, 2023 Share #58  Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Nimar said: that doesn’t look right. you should be able to resize the right lens so the mount is the same size as the others to get a proper in proportion image. I did do that, the mounts are the same width. The angle of the 50mm FLE I image is slightly different, but good enough for an approximation. Edited April 11, 2023 by mosh1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essummi Posted April 12, 2023 Share #59  Posted April 12, 2023 vor 22 Stunden schrieb evikne: It could be. But I think it spoils the impression of the lens a bit, almost like having a picture of a new sports car with a roof rack. 😄 A protective filter is probably not a bad idea in the sandy desert (visible in the background). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikrasov Posted April 12, 2023 Share #60  Posted April 12, 2023 Comparing MTF charts of FLE vs FLE II seems like the new one slightly sharper at center but slightly less sharp from the middle of the frame. Also, more fat body could result in more rounded bokeh balls at corners, as compared to cat's eye balls in current FLE version. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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