cozmopak Posted February 27, 2023 Share #1 Posted February 27, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am seriously considering selling my M11 and keeping my M10-P. The sticky shutter of the M11 is not jiving with me. Also, the colors on the M10 appear "richer" to my eyes. The motion blur I am getting from the M11 is also significantly degrading its "on paper" higher spatial resolution. Am I crazy? Please convince me otherwise if you can! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Photoworks Posted February 27, 2023 Share #2 Posted February 27, 2023 well, you would get some money back. did you ever use the M10-P? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee S Posted February 27, 2023 Share #3 Posted February 27, 2023 The M10-P is still a very capable camera and if you aren’t feeling it then sure, why not save the cash. Not sure anyone can give a valid reason for you to keep it otherwise? You could always shoot in a lower res mode but it won’t help with the perceived sticky shutter! it’s a fair chunk of change to save for other things such as lenses if you so desire them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyrus Posted February 27, 2023 Share #4 Posted February 27, 2023 How many posts do you need to make about this? Sell it or return it already. It’s clear you hate it Sorry for the bluntness but it’s pretty clear what you need to do. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warton Posted February 27, 2023 Share #5 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, cozmopak said: I am seriously considering selling my M11 and keeping my M10-P. The sticky shutter of the M11 is not jiving with me. Also, the colors on the M10 appear "richer" to my eyes. The motion blur I am getting from the M11 is also significantly degrading its "on paper" higher spatial resolution. Am I crazy? Please convince me otherwise if you can! You are not crazy but I am not sympathize either. I have both M11 and M10-R and I found like them both. The color rendering is surely different, but I found M10-R is more flattening, so I tune up the saturation to high. The shutter of course is better in M10-R to my taste, I also hate the idea of eternally-open shutter in M11. but to be fair, you cannot blame the motion blur on M11 for its higher resolution, you can always downgrade to lower resolution in M11 to solve your issue. If the money is not a problem, I suggest to keep both like I do. If the money is an issue and you can sell the M11 without a loss, then do it. Otherwise, don't do it. Edited February 27, 2023 by Warton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway77 Posted February 27, 2023 Share #6 Posted February 27, 2023 I really liked my M10-P but the M11 is in a different league in so many ways; to me at least. I certainly couldn't imagine going back as it would seem like a retrograde step. Bottom line is - it's just a tool. If you don't gel with it you won't use it - so I'd suggest it's a waste of time keeping it. Bite the bullet and move it on - maybe try something else. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozmopak Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted February 27, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 15 minutes ago, Gateway77 said: I really liked my M10-P but the M11 is in a different league in so many ways; to me at least. I certainly couldn't imagine going back as it would seem like a retrograde step. Bottom line is - it's just a tool. If you don't gel with it you won't use it - so I'd suggest it's a waste of time keeping it. Bite the bullet and move it on - maybe try something else. Can you elucidate why it's in a different league for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 27, 2023 Share #8 Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, cozmopak said: I am seriously considering selling my M11 and keeping my M10-P. The sticky shutter of the M11 is not jiving with me. Also, the colors on the M10 appear "richer" to my eyes. The motion blur I am getting from the M11 is also significantly degrading its "on paper" higher spatial resolution. Am I crazy? Please convince me otherwise if you can! It sounds from this and your other posts regarding inability to turn off live view, and/or complaints about shutter lag that you are having a bout of old fashioned buyer's remorse. I think you really have just two healthy choices here: 1 - return it while you can and get your money back if that is still an option. or 2 - keep it and love it. Personally I traded my M10-P for the M111 over a year ago and have never looked back but at the end of the day only you can do you so do the best you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 27, 2023 Share #9 Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, cozmopak said: I am seriously considering selling my M11 and keeping my M10-P. The sticky shutter of the M11 is not jiving with me. Also, the colors on the M10 appear "richer" to my eyes. The motion blur I am getting from the M11 is also significantly degrading its "on paper" higher spatial resolution. Am I crazy? Please convince me otherwise if you can! I am not going to convince you otherwise. I have stopped using my M10-R since I got my M11, but you will not be the first to go back to an M10. Good luck with the M10-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozmopak Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted February 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Kwesi said: It sounds from this and your other posts regarding inability to turn off live view, and/or complaints about shutter lag that you are having a bout of old fashioned buyer's remorse. I think you really have just two healthy choices here: 1 - return it while you can and get your money back if that is still an option. or 2 - keep it and love it. Personally I traded my M10-P for the M111 over a year ago and have never looked back but at the end of the day only you can do you so do the best you. Do you shoot 60MP raw primarily? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 27, 2023 Share #11 Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, cozmopak said: Do you shoot 60MP raw primarily? Exclusively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geotrupede Posted February 27, 2023 Share #12 Posted February 27, 2023 For me M11 is really good camera. But M10P is also really good camera. I was undecided when purchased the M11, perhaps I could have saved some by looking for the 10. BUT, M11 has some new features which are useful, USB charging (now works), more fps, snappier, LARGER battery, lighter body, better EVF (if light is good). On the latitude of exposure and resolution I am not sure as I do not have the M10 but files are quite good in the 11. Once you learn how to process noise is ok, etc. but if you dislike the M11 bottom plate design and the unusual shutter dance then M10 is very capable, and you could keep the money for next iteration or buy a really good couple of lenses... or an M10 mono G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 27, 2023 Share #13 Posted February 27, 2023 I am not sure where you are in photography, but maybe some education can be helpful. https://leicacamerausa.com/m11-owners-workshop-online.html In the end, if the photos are not good I would not blame the camera so quickly. I have used all M10s and not M11. just another tool to make better photos. Nobody has to convince you to stay or go. M11 is a better camera but is you like M10, nothing wrong with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozmopak Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share #14 Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Photoworks said: I am not sure where you are in photography, but maybe some education can be helpful. https://leicacamerausa.com/m11-owners-workshop-online.html In the end, if the photos are not good I would not blame the camera so quickly. I have used all M10s and not M11. just another tool to make better photos. Nobody has to convince you to stay or go. M11 is a better camera but is you like M10, nothing wrong with that. Thank you for this, I'm not giving up on this camera so quickly. I will play with it for a while longer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozmopak Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share #15 Posted February 27, 2023 33 minutes ago, geotrupede said: For me M11 is really good camera. But M10P is also really good camera. I was undecided when purchased the M11, perhaps I could have saved some by looking for the 10. BUT, M11 has some new features which are useful, USB charging (now works), more fps, snappier, LARGER battery, lighter body, better EVF (if light is good). On the latitude of exposure and resolution I am not sure as I do not have the M10 but files are quite good in the 11. Once you learn how to process noise is ok, etc. but if you dislike the M11 bottom plate design and the unusual shutter dance then M10 is very capable, and you could keep the money for next iteration or buy a really good couple of lenses... or an M10 mono G. Curious, are you using APO lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geotrupede Posted February 28, 2023 Share #16 Posted February 28, 2023 I wish 😉 I have some leica aspherical, but mostly vintage. My photos are f5.6 onwards with flash and black and white so really does not matter. For family shots I would use open apertures and go for the effect, but in the end lenses are all good. G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 28, 2023 Share #17 Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/27/2023 at 8:45 PM, cozmopak said: I am seriously considering selling my M11 and keeping my M10-P. The sticky shutter of the M11 is not jiving with me. Also, the colors on the M10 appear "richer" to my eyes. The motion blur I am getting from the M11 is also significantly degrading its "on paper" higher spatial resolution. Am I crazy? Please convince me otherwise if you can! Why should we convince you? It is your decision. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henners Posted March 1, 2023 Share #18 Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) They're just different, downgrade is probably too strong a term. Over multiple generations then I think I would consider it a downgrade but really even the M9 is hugely capable and that's way old now. It mostly comes down to what gets you in flow more and what you're photographing; the M11 is a bit of a weird one with its shutter but has some tech advantages. The M10-R has the advantage of being easier to get in to flow with as it's more predictable with its shutter. What's more important to you? I chose M11 as I like my tech like GPS co-ords in the exif and the amazing battery life but its shutter I really don't like but I put up with it. I'd be totally happy with either of those honestly. The M10-P I'd also be happy with but I do enjoy the extra resolution so that might be my only thing with that, still not a deal breaker though. Edited March 1, 2023 by Henners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted March 1, 2023 Share #19 Posted March 1, 2023 Use whichever u r comfortable with, i still using my m10r and m11 sparingly, i might be fortunate enough to have been able to keep both one acting as back up to the other 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted March 1, 2023 Share #20 Posted March 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Henners said: The M10-P I'd also be happy with but I do enjoy the extra resolution so that might be my only thing with that, still not a deal breaker though. what about the limited dynamic range and blowen highlights? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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