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US $8,716.16. More than a X2D or Fuji GFX100II. 
 

Approximately $1.7K more than SL2. List. Not counting the current promotions on SL2. 

The 60MP sensor in current use has a bit more DR than the 47MP sensor but it’s not revolutionary.  Not sure Leica can get any more out of it than Sony or Sigma. 

Hopefully Panasonic will also release a follow on to the S1R with a more realistic price point  

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I don't mean to pounce on just one line, but it really did startle me a bit. If you roll back five or six years, the SL2 would be the most advanced camera ever released. The SL2 is in no way a "very l

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6 hours ago, Paul2660 said:

US $8,716.16. More than a X2D or Fuji GFX100II. 
 

Approximately $1.7K more than SL2. List. Not counting the current promotions on SL2. 

The 60MP sensor in current use has a bit more DR than the 47MP sensor but it’s not revolutionary.  Not sure Leica can get any more out of it than Sony or Sigma. 

Hopefully Panasonic will also release a follow on to the S1R with a more realistic price point  

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hard to believe they are going to price it @ close to usd 9k..

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On 1/15/2024 at 6:55 PM, JohnathanLovm said:

I doubt we can get any info from you, I hope it’s not just rehousing of Q3.

Lol, no ideal. I got it from one of the SL's photographer on IG

21 hours ago, helged said:

Could very well be. SL2-S has major advantages (for me) relative to SL2: Particularly better shadow recovery (plus, for my teste, better colours, but that's something sensor-specific, clearly).

True, I personally prefer that too, maybe S model with 33MP?

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I purchased the Hasselblad X2D with the 38 and 55mm Hasselblad XCD lens. Wow! What a system. The dynamic range, image quality and color science is the best that I have ever seen in a handheld camera system. Here are two images taken with the X2D. The file size limitation of this forum won't allow you to fully appreciate the detail in the original files. It's a nice alternative to my M11 with APO 35 and 50mm lenses.

I'll have to see how the SL-3 improves on the SL-2 before I upgrade. I own the original SL zoom lenses and they are awesome. Plus, I like the ability to shoot my M primes on my SL.

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3 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

You folks forgot that Leica bumped the price of all their bodies by a significant amount. 

The M10 was about 6500€, the M11 is 8950€

The Q2 was 4790€, the Q3 6500€

SL2 was 6500, so SL3 at around 8000€ looks legit.

SL2 was actually 6300 to begin with, but it is now priced 6800
However 8000 is outrageous and I am not going to be part of that.

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Agreed, 8000 euros is not appealing to me for what may not even be an upgrade vs the SL2, depending on how they tune the sensor (I am not saying it will not have newer features, only that I have not necessarily always preferred the newer camera. I like the M9 better than the M10, the S006 better than S007 and S3, for example). If it is priced high with that old 60mp sensor (as far as I understand, it is the same as the one that was released in 2019 in the A7RIV) and slow readout etc, that seems like a pass for me. I hope they can come up with something really innovative in the S4, should it ever come to market...that would be more likely to tempt me to upgrade. I tend to keep my cameras for a long time, so if you wind up buying a new camera and keep it five or six years, then towards the end you are using a sensor that is 10 or 11 year old tech, which is generally a huge gap in the digital camera world at least. It also impacts repairs, as we have seen with the M9 and S cameras...the sensors were so old that after a few years they were no longer produced (the company was not even in business), and it basically made the cameras unrepairable after a certain amount of time...ahead of the EU mandated 10 years.

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20 hours ago, budjames said:

I purchased the Hasselblad X2D with the 38 and 55mm Hasselblad XCD lens. Wow! What a system. The dynamic range, image quality and color science is the best that I have ever seen in a handheld camera system. Here are two images taken with the X2D. The file size limitation of this forum won't allow you to fully appreciate the detail in the original files. It's a nice alternative to my M11 with APO 35 and 50mm lenses.

I'll have to see how the SL-3 improves on the SL-2 before I upgrade. I own the original SL zoom lenses and they are awesome. Plus, I like the ability to shoot my M primes on my SL.

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Bud James

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Why would you even look at the SL3 if you have the X2D?

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This has to be the first time I’ve not been tempted by a new model.

I currently use my M11 for projects and the SL2 for work, the image stabilisation as is is perfect, the image resolution means if needed I can crop by up to 50% (although I rarely do so) and I shoot interiors so I don’t need 9fps.

 

Some extra Dynamic Range would be nice but I can cope quite readily with that of the SL3.

At this price point there is absolutely nothing to tempt me. My inclination is to go for a 16-21 WATE lens and use my M11 as a back up (I use a tripod so ibis not essential).

Well this is a first.

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It seems like this could be a great upgrade for people who need better AFc and tracking. That has been a big criticism for people, as well as people who want an articulated screen. I think since it is in the Q3 suggests it is highly likely to be in the SL3. But compared to the SL to SL2, the differences don’t seem as large to me. Adding a better VF,  stabilization and going from 24 to 47mp, adding multishot, improving video substantially etc. Those were all quite big leaps. This seems more subtle, at least based on the rumors. 

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Having better Autofocus let alone tracking will be huge leap for the SL3. At least one (AF) that we can rely on instead of stopping to check with magnifier to be sure. Not sure how Leica got away with the current AF in the SL2, SL2S. Their Lenses are to die for may I say in my next breath. 
 

 

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4 hours ago, mikeamosau said:

Wow, that’s terribly bad. All so ugly and lifeless. 

Yes, that does look particularly bad. But I think that is a fairly low end version. Still images of people are now at a level where faces and bodies are generally indistinguishable from real people, even if they stray into the uncanny valley at times. It still struggles with hands, I guess because there were simply not as many images of hands to train the AI models, but with more time and more computing power, they will become fully convincing in short order. I believe taking it into video is really just a matter of how much computing power one is prepared to dedicate to it. They probably also need to instruct the models in a way to tune out the jagged transitions (people and objects changing or appearing/disappearing as the video goes on), but ultimately this is all a matter of time, and it seems to be progressing more like Moore's Law than like nuclear fusion, for example. Believe me, if I could hit a button and stop it today, I would, but the train has left the station unfortunately, and we are all riding it with only the vaguest idea whether it is going to take us somewhere nice or straight off a cliff.

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On 1/16/2024 at 9:59 PM, frame-it said:

registered today in another country:

16 Jan 2024
7011 PT TIRTA SAPTA SEMESTA
Digital Camera Leica 5404 Germany

 

5404 is the Q3??

and its variants.

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from the Q3 pdf

 

 

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it could be a dual certification, for type 6506 AND 5404, using the same wifi/bluetooth module ;)

 

 

 

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