BernardC Posted October 21, 2023 Share #681 Posted October 21, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: The Ricoh GR sells like hotcakes, as does the X100 series. Don't forget the Q. It has been a huge sales success for Leica, as opposed to the TL and CL. I still think that we will eventually see a full-frame compact L mount camera, but it will not be as small as a Q once you attach a lens. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MediaFotografie Posted October 21, 2023 Share #682 Posted October 21, 2023 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Simone_DF: 1 original lens announced 5 years ago and 3 rebadges. Not a great track record, imho. But I’m happy that the 21mm is here. Now the question is, will there be more Leica designed lenses, or are we stuck with these sad rebadges for the foreseeable very good question! We will see, there will be more rebagded Sigma and Panasonics - now there are five; but will they offer new generic Leica lenses??? Maybe the APO-SL 24mm - and than? no idea… Like to see something like 135mm/180mm - and a Macro lens 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted October 21, 2023 Share #683 Posted October 21, 2023 A 35mm Summilux might be another lens that they typically offer...or a 70-80mm Summilux. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted October 21, 2023 Share #684 Posted October 21, 2023 Gerade eben schrieb Stuart Richardson: A 35mm Summilux might be another lens that they typically offer...or a 70-80mm Summilux. indeed, there is only one Summilux, nothing else; a 35mm will be great Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowDriver Posted October 21, 2023 Share #685 Posted October 21, 2023 42 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: II think that if instead of the T/CL, they made a camera with the exact form factor and size of the CM, only with a APS-C sensor, they would have tapped into more of a market...something to take on the X100 and GR with a more premium build/design. How would that have been different from Leica X1, X2 and X Typ 113? Leica abandoned the X cameras as well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted October 21, 2023 Share #686 Posted October 21, 2023 I'm afraid that in Wetzlar a lot of the scarce capacity is being used for a mirrorless S4 - including completely new lenses; that's why there is so little own innovation at SL; but just my personal opinion without knowing anything 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted October 21, 2023 Share #687 Posted October 21, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 43 minutes ago, MediaFotografie said: Like to see something like 135mm/180mm - and a Macro lens I remember reading on this forum that another candidate for a rebadge is the Sigma 105 macro Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted October 21, 2023 Share #688 Posted October 21, 2023 52 minutes ago, BernardC said: I still think that we will eventually see a full-frame compact L mount camera, but it will not be as small as a Q once you attach a lens. According to Panasonic, their best sellers are small cameras. They mention it twice in a recent interview. Who knows, we may end up getting a S5R instead of a S1RII. Interview auto translated from French. Well worth reading https://phototrend-fr.translate.goog/2023/10/interview-panasonic-salon-de-la-photo-2023/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted October 21, 2023 Share #689 Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, MediaFotografie said: I'm afraid that in Wetzlar a lot of the scarce capacity is being used for a mirrorless S4 - including completely new lenses; that's why there is so little own innovation at SL; but just my personal opinion without knowing anything Not what I wanted to hear as I'm hoping/expecting the SL 24 APO in the not too distant future. *Hoping the UWA SL Vario is not in place of the SL 24 APO prime. On another note, while probably not an easy task, I do wonder how much of the current Leica S lens design can be used for the new Leica S mirrorless mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted October 21, 2023 Share #690 Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, SlowDriver said: How would that have been different from Leica X1, X2 and X Typ 113? Leica abandoned the X cameras as well. touché! I guess I never liked the design of the X series, though it was functional. The CM just felt more elegant to me, and I do like a 40mm better. Perhaps it was the lack of optical viewfinder, but I love the GR and that does not have one either. It, however, is so tiny. Perhaps it is time for a redesigned X camera with modern niceties, like an EVF, and stabilization. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotonutzz Posted October 26, 2023 Share #691 Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) On 10/21/2023 at 10:20 PM, Simone_DF said: I remember reading on this forum that another candidate for a rebadge is the Sigma 105 macro Yes.....I heard it was supposed to come out in Sep 2023. Sadly, Sep came and went already Couldn't wait for the Leica macro and decided to get the Sigma 105 DG DN and couldn't be happier. Initially, I tot the manual aperture ring isn't useful, but I was wrong. The ability to change the aperture using the ring was really fun and harkens back to the good old days.... Way better than using an extension tube Edited October 26, 2023 by fotonutzz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted October 27, 2023 Share #692 Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/21/2023 at 2:59 PM, MediaFotografie said: I'm afraid that in Wetzlar a lot of the scarce capacity is being used for a mirrorless S4 - including completely new lenses; that's why there is so little own innovation at SL; but just my personal opinion without knowing anything Why would they try to compete with the Hasselblad and Fuji? The former is, I imagine, struggling to compete with the latter (on price alone). There are only so many people with that kind of spending power and, since all these cameras are going to be using the same sensor and processors, it’s a tough sell, particularly as the full frame cameras will always be much more versatile, even if you are printing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share #693 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/21/2023 at 9:59 AM, MediaFotografie said: I'm afraid that in Wetzlar a lot of the scarce capacity is being used for a mirrorless S4 - including completely new lenses; that's why there is so little own innovation at SL; but just my personal opinion without knowing anything Leica can walk and chew gum at the same time. Perhaps you'll be surprised Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj3209 Posted October 28, 2023 Share #694 Posted October 28, 2023 An SL3 with a 60mp sensor and PD AF would be an instant hit IMHO. I'm not a pro but I don't see why any pro would need more resolution and thus don't understand why Leica would invest in another S-series line, especially likely at $15k+. I say, improve focus tracking, update lenses, increase battery life, slim the body/weight, etc. My dream camera would focus using our eyesight... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted October 28, 2023 Share #695 Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, cj3209 said: I'm not a pro but I don't see why any pro would need more resolution and thus don't understand why Leica would invest in another S-series line, especially likely at $15k+. Artwork reproduction, less moiré in fashion photography, better tonality, ability to make extreme crops (something art directors love to do), ability to make better very large prints, finally getting most out of medium format and large format film scans... The S system itself was not only about resolution. It was about using a larger than 35mm sensor to provide better performance than full frame cameras while still being in a very easy to handle body. This was before the Fuji GFX, Hasselblad X or most other affordable medium format digital options. It also allowed you to have high resolution AND low noise as compared to contemporary 35mm options. The lens line was also the best ever made when it was introduced, and was a building block for Leica's later introduction of the SL line. The APO Summicrons are basically shrunk down and improved versions of the S lenses. The biggest difference is the lack of a leaf shutter, which is another reason some pros loved it. There still is a considerable interest in the less pricey end of medium format digital, given how well the GFX has done for Fuji and the X series for Hasselblad. Whether Leica will be able to take advantage or not is another story. But don't worry, it is nearly certain that there will still be an SL3. I will say that 60mp is good enough for nearly all purposes, but if we were here looking for good enough, we would all be using 24mp Sonys... Edited October 28, 2023 by Stuart Richardson 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted October 29, 2023 Share #696 Posted October 29, 2023 Am 28.10.2023 um 02:32 schrieb trickness: Leica can walk and chew gum at the same time. Perhaps you'll be surprised I hope so!!! But when I see they need more then five years to bring out APO-SL 21mm I doubt it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virob Posted October 29, 2023 Share #697 Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/27/2023 at 5:32 PM, trickness said: Leica can walk and chew gum at the same time. Perhaps you'll be surprised They just walk and chew much slower when doing it at the same time 🤣 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 1, 2023 Share #698 Posted November 1, 2023 At this stage, I doubt MP is an issue for anyone (other than video, which seems to work better with less). It’s just a question of what’s available. Where I get nervous is with an M camera, no IBIS and traditional manual control. With my X2D, I don’t mind 100MP (I thought I would) and I wouldn’t mind 50MP. It has become irelevant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. G Posted November 1, 2023 Share #699 Posted November 1, 2023 What I'm most curious is what kind of low light advantage the SL2-S will hold over the SL3 with the new sensor. I had the SL2 and for daylight monochrome images with any of the APO SL lenses it produced amazing images, but I do more low light shooting than anything else. The APO lenses render images that look like they are a lot higher resolution with the SL2-S, but I would love a body that enabled me to get natively higher resolution with, at maximum, a 1 to 1.5 stop hit in performance over the SL2-S. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleElmar135mm Posted November 1, 2023 Share #700 Posted November 1, 2023 Am 29.10.2023 um 13:57 schrieb MediaFotografie: I hope so!!! But when I see they need more then five years to bring out APO-SL 21mm I doubt it the time was needed to eliminate the chewing out of the objective calculation Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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