evikne Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share #61 Posted January 6, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 47 minutes ago, jaapv said: The pragmatic solution to this problem (and the yellows under some types of artificial light is part of the IR sensitivity of all M digital cameras) is to use a greycard white balance which will turn out slightly cool, which is easily corrected. I don't think it's quite that simple. I have tons of examples of pictures taken in artificial light where I've used either a WhiBal card or an ExpoDisc (for the example above with the boy I used WhiBal). The Leica M10 profile still shows this result. I can adjust the colors to almost normal by using the HSL/Color sliders, but not with the WB alone, because that will affect other colors as well (white will turn blue etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted January 6, 2023 Share #62 Posted January 6, 2023 Try an IR cut (hot) filter. This is indeed a nasty, especially with LED light. Another manifestation is the extreme predominance of yellow around the sun in sunsets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Bonn Posted January 6, 2023 Share #63 Posted January 6, 2023 2 hours ago, evikne said: I don't think it's quite that simple. I have tons of examples of pictures taken in artificial light where I've used either a WhiBal card or an ExpoDisc (for the example above with the boy I used WhiBal). The Leica M10 profile still shows this result. I can adjust the colors to almost normal by using the HSL/Color sliders, but not with the WB alone, because that will affect other colors as well (white will turn blue etc). Returning to the super exciting cat shot again (try and contain yourselves) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I can fairly reasonably balance the bog standard M10 profile and modified M10 forward matrix profile using the calibration sliders (I could do better obviously, but it's just not worth it for what it is, a test shot and a forum post demonstration ) These are the only edits, I haven't touched the WB slider or HSL tool (not because I don't use these tools!!! But because I'm trying to demonstrate chromatic adaptation) The calibration tool I find works best when you think like a camera !!!! So if you look at the 3 RGB hue sliders you see they're actually giving you a choice between moving hues towards blue or towards yellow, or hot and cold (yup exactly like the kelvin -temp- slider) Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I can fairly reasonably balance the bog standard M10 profile and modified M10 forward matrix profile using the calibration sliders (I could do better obviously, but it's just not worth it for what it is, a test shot and a forum post demonstration ) These are the only edits, I haven't touched the WB slider or HSL tool (not because I don't use these tools!!! But because I'm trying to demonstrate chromatic adaptation) The calibration tool I find works best when you think like a camera !!!! So if you look at the 3 RGB hue sliders you see they're actually giving you a choice between moving hues towards blue or towards yellow, or hot and cold (yup exactly like the kelvin -temp- slider) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4631184'>More sharing options...
Besprosvet Posted January 7, 2023 Share #64 Posted January 7, 2023 22 hours ago, Adam Bonn said: Here is a crappy picture of my cat, taken with an M10 under crappy indoor light. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This picture has not been edited in any single way and was taken with AWB The one on the left is with the M10 Embedded profile The one on the right is exactly the same profile, except I've used maths to calculate and add into the profile a linear Bradford derived forward matrix for each illuminant. I've heard it said that the Leica M10 profile has too much yellow in it under artificial light now this appears to be true but what's actually happening is that both pictures have the same amount of yellow, the forward matrix simply tells abobe where to place the yellow The difference varies on the picture and the light, and the camera (the M10R embedded profile is better in artificial light IMO) Now we haven't made great colours here but what we've done is get the RAW data to the 'ballpark' So to be short and sweet, what I did here was this: Hey adobe rather than guess how to get to D50 from StdA (aka from white balance 2800 to 5000) in order to display the colours - instead please follow this map that I wrote for you The maths for this can be found in the adobe dng spec here (see chapter MAPPING CAMERA COLOR SPACE TO CIE XYZ SPACE, starts on page 85, bit that you need is on p87) and the linear Bradford chromatic adaptation maths can be found here (you'll also need a way to convert dcp to and from a text format, dcamprof or dcptool are free, and a way to extract the Leica profile from the DNG, Adobe's DNG Profile editor is your friend there, also free. As well you'll need some maths ability...) To quote adobe (who invented DNG, and dcp profiles) on the subject of forward matrices "The use of the forward matrix tags is recommended" is basically tech speak for you REALLY should be doing this when using our RAW and profiling solution And that's exactly what's happening here* - the ginger cat, on the orange cushion, in front of the yellow cushion under mixed indoor lighting** is causing an extreme case which the forward matrix-less Leica profile is giving the adobe image pipeline trouble to try and adapt the XYZ values. Why Leica doesn't include forward matrices is a bit of a mystery to me... If all of this seems a massive PITA (it is!) then just use a proper WB card to set a custom WB in camera before shooting under shitty yellowy-orange light 😀 Oh and this tool in LR/ACR Gives you the ability to override the native adobe XYZ_D50 adaptation (that's why it's in the tab marked 'Calibration') Hopefully that's de-mystified what's going on under the hood a little... *yes as a profile geek I deliberately shot this to test the Leica profile on the day I got my M10, I know it's a torture test for any camera **mrs Adam loves orangey colours, hence the cushions, the cat, the f**king bright orange wall lamp that I have to remember to turn off when I'm snapping some family gathering 😅 I wonder how all this situation works with Capture One. I use both Lightroom (for fast/big chunk processing) and Capture One for single shots I want to print or for anything serious (more buggy and slugghish in the interface), but since I own the M 246 I just downloaded a few RAW files from a review online of the M 240. And the ICC profile of Capture One to me seems generally more 3d, not oversaturated (unlike adobe) and just more pleasant than the ones I get from adobe. Have any of you tried Capture one on color Leica RAWs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Bonn Posted January 7, 2023 Share #65 Posted January 7, 2023 48 minutes ago, Besprosvet said: I wonder how all this situation works with Capture One. I use both Lightroom (for fast/big chunk processing) and Capture One for single shots I want to print or for anything serious (more buggy and slugghish in the interface), but since I own the M 246 I just downloaded a few RAW files from a review online of the M 240. And the ICC profile of Capture One to me seems generally more 3d, not oversaturated (unlike adobe) and just more pleasant than the ones I get from adobe. Have any of you tried Capture one on color Leica RAWs? Well this example I posted is Leica’s profile not adobe’s I have both C1 and LR/PS Run enough images through each and it’s win some/lose some for each application I personally prefer working in LR. C1’s .icm (aka icc) profiles work very differently to adobe’s dcp files and I don’t enjoy working with icc profiling (no real standard to adhere too) As a sweeping general statement that’ll be easy to pick holes in… I find that C1 colours are closer to Leica’s profiles than Adobe’s profiles Modern adobe profiles are very under saturated IMO. (Gamut compression) One time I would say that C1’s tools were light years’ ahead of adobe’s but lately they’ve really closed the gap. (Just the HSL tool left to modernise IMO) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share #66 Posted March 29, 2023 Cat in the window. I don't have a polarising filter for my Leica lenses, so here the LR Dehaze tool came in handy to reduce the reflections in the window. I have also lightened the eyes a bit with an adjustment brush and cropped away my own reflection in the window. 😉 Lastly, I assigned an RNI profile – Fuji Superia 200. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 with 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH v2 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 with 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH v2 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4738966'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 1, 2023 Share #67 Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) D-Lux 7, -1EC to protect relevant highlights, used LrC masking to balance sky and landscape. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 1, 2023 by SrMi 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4741543'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 14, 2023 Share #68 Posted April 14, 2023 Out-of-camera JPG: Panasonic S5 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4750128'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 14, 2023 Share #69 Posted April 14, 2023 DXO Pure RAW 3, ACR refined, Topaz Photo AI, Topaz Sharpen AI automatic motion blur and subject selected, horizon straightened Resized for web. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4750130'>More sharing options...
sometimesmaybe Posted April 14, 2023 Share #70 Posted April 14, 2023 fool's errand - my recent attempt at making an image more 'filmic' Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4750426'>More sharing options...
hansvons Posted April 15, 2023 Share #71 Posted April 15, 2023 Portugal, Duro Valley, close to the Spanish border. SL2-S, 35mm Summicron 35R @f8. Edited in C1. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4750478'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 15, 2023 Share #72 Posted April 15, 2023 please list your edits, it is very useful for the reader. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimesmaybe Posted April 16, 2023 Share #73 Posted April 16, 2023 20 hours ago, jaapv said: please list your edits, it is very useful for the reader. by your command... i use luminar, not sure how transferable it is when compared with LR or C1. no grain was added Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4751336'>More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share #74 Posted April 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, sometimesmaybe said: by your command... i use luminar, not sure how transferable it is when compared with LR or C1. no grain was added Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A dedicated Matte tool! I wish LR had something like this! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benqui Posted April 16, 2023 Share #75 Posted April 16, 2023 Really a very good thread! I use the Q2 for many portrait shootings. At the beginning I did not believe that it is also a camera for portraits, but the more I use it, the more I believe that it is a useful tool for portraits. In this case I wanted to create a photo with the light just on Pauline‘s face. And she felt very comfortable with the small Q2. To achieve my goal, I had to crop a lot, but it worked perfectly. Version out of the cam: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Cropped and converted into b/w 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Cropped and converted into b/w ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4751567'>More sharing options...
sometimesmaybe Posted April 18, 2023 Share #76 Posted April 18, 2023 some subtle edits of the m246 monochrom file - mostly adding shadow and changing the black. i try to do as much as i can in camera: used EVF for manual exposure - ISO1000 at 1/2000 (too much faffing about adjusting ISO on the m246, i just adjust shutter speed) shot on a rainy day (hence the flat lighting) next to a doorway (for dark background) glow comes from the CV 35mm f1.2 v3 shot wide open at around 1m some contrast added by using green/yellow filter (cuts about 1 stop of light) the image is edited to something that looks good to my eyes and then, i dial it down by 20% 🤓 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4752912'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 19, 2023 Share #77 Posted April 19, 2023 Very nice portrait. Setting a black point might work. For me it is a standard edit for monochrome files. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimesmaybe Posted April 21, 2023 Share #78 Posted April 21, 2023 this one has a bit more editing 😅 but this was image i had in mind at the time the shot was taken. there was enough in the original image to make it a relatively easy edit. i used graduated filters (x2) to make the light shaft. i also cloned / removed the vent Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357359-before-after-show-us-your-edits/?do=findComment&comment=4755160'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 21, 2023 Share #79 Posted April 21, 2023 I don't want to disappoint you, but I think the image with the vent is the better one with more compositional impact. (pretty good, actually) If you do the same editing on the girl and light you have the best of two worlds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimesmaybe Posted April 21, 2023 Share #80 Posted April 21, 2023 7 hours ago, jaapv said: I don't want to disappoint you, but I think the image with the vent is the better one with more compositional impact. (pretty good, actually) If you do the same editing on the girl and light you have the best of two worlds. ha! no disappointment to be had. i left it in initially (because i shoot 35mm portraits for context), but it didnt work to my eyes as only the bottom right hand corner of the vent was visible. when i was looking at that image it just looked out of place. the vent would work if more of it could have been included 🤓 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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