scott kirkpatrick Posted August 1, 2023 Share #1701 Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 hours ago, wellknown said: Now is the chance to get things going! Leica is looking for a "head of Camera software"! https://myjobboard.de/leica/Jobs/64b63d771b12f2c075a8a073 Having our next M firmware design team headed by a certified Agile Coach and Scrum Master may make for faster time to market, but I'm not sure this will reduce the bug population. Still, beta testing is (for some of us) a source of stimulating challenges. Edited August 1, 2023 by scott kirkpatrick 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dugby Posted August 1, 2023 Share #1702 Posted August 1, 2023 Pre-agile/scrum era tech is more likely to resolve the issues, it’s just that the new age can’t get their minds “long enough” into it. 🥷 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted August 1, 2023 Share #1703 Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) (Sigh). Agile/Scrum, Kanban, Waterfall, Six Sigma, Business Intelligence, Agile Business Intelligence ... These are secular doctrines, complete with advocates, adherents, prophets, monastic orders, orthodoxies, and holy warriors. If you've spent any time at all in a large technology-centered enterprise, you've run into these as they've successively come and gone. There is always a particular subgroup that lusts after the latest and goes to bat, or goes to war, for their particular flag. And each, according to the true believers, provides a unique insight, an unprecedented methodology, toward self-improvement, that is, for the enterprise bold enough, committed enough, to embrace their tenets. Truly, one of the best parts about retirement is freedom from meetings. Most especially, meetings at which one corner of the table advocates for one of these flavors of the month, while another corner poo-poos that flavor, asserting that everyone knows that their own trendy flavor has superceded it. Pure. Utter. Bilgewater. Makes you wonder how any of our long-existing institutions ever, I mean, *ever* managed to achieve anything before the latest whatever-it-is came along. There's simply quality, and concern for excellence, or there isn't. The ball makes it between the goalposts, or it doesn't. The company is able to respond to an evolving world or it isn't. Not all will survive. And thank goodness for that! I believe I've witnessed more time wasted on clashes between the devout in-crowds and the apostate out-crowds of these secular religions than on any other phase of a meeting that can be categorized. And yet, *all* of these True Paths to Enlightenment seem to agree that the single most important step in every business or process or project plan is..... ....the Allocation of Blame. Sorry - just woke up after a great night's sleep and, opening the ol' phone for a quick glance at the forum while waiting for the coffee to finish brewing, ran straight into Agile and Scrum.... Haven't seen or heard those words since retiring. Been too busy. Man! Look at that early morning light raking across the dew-covered garden! Woohoo! Gotta grab the Macro 90 and get my knees wet! Edited August 1, 2023 by DadDadDaddyo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted August 1, 2023 Share #1704 Posted August 1, 2023 9 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: Having our next M firmware design team headed by a certified Agile Coach and Scrum Master may make for faster time to market, but I'm not sure this will reduce the bug population. Still, beta testing is (for some of us) a source of stimulating challenges. Considering that bugs resist bug spray, I think we need to more aspect them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James J Posted August 2, 2023 Share #1705 Posted August 2, 2023 After reporting my crash issues to Leica they have got in touch with the shop I bought it from and issued a DOA under the warranty and apparently my M11 is being picked up tomorrow for an exchange with a new one. I’m hoping the issue is known to them and it’s just an early batch bug. I was quite sad to put it all back in the box I was so happy to see arrive about a week ago! great customer service though 7 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photojoejoe21 Posted August 6, 2023 Share #1706 Posted August 6, 2023 Received my new m11 about two weeks ago and have had two freezes. It came with current 1.6.1 firmware. Froze up using a voigtlander 35/1.4 and a lexar memory card, then froze up again with a new sandisk 128gb UHS II with the most recent version of the summicron 35/2. Memory cards formatted before use each time, and factor reset the camera after buying the new Sandisk card. Called the dealer I bought from who said they will step in but only after the camera has froze more times and after I’ve sent the camera in to Leica for repair. absolutely love the camera but, a little disappointed so far. Has anyone here had experience with Leica NJ fixing their freezing issues after having it serviced? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted August 6, 2023 Share #1707 Posted August 6, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I hadn’t had any freezes with the new firmware until this morning. Camera went unresponsive. Had to remove the battery to reset. Sandisk 64mb 280 mb/s card Hopefully this is a one off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2023 Share #1708 Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) hope dies last... old saying in germany. Edited August 7, 2023 by wellknown Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefreyL Posted August 18, 2023 Share #1709 Posted August 18, 2023 On 7/19/2023 at 1:12 AM, mediumformula said: Does the fact that M11 Monochrom owners are not reporting on freezing issues mean that the freezing issues of the M11 are hardware related and that this problem was addressed with the M11 Monochrom? I have had freezes in my M11 Monochrom. Bought as soon as it was available. I have the led light on and not going off at startup and I remove the battery and reset camera settings etc and it is fine for a while. My camera was updated to 1.6.1 with no issues updating as soon as I got it. I used Sandisk UHS I and I am currently using a Sandisk SDXC UHS II V90. Did not reproduce the issue yet. I will post an update if anything goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henners Posted August 18, 2023 Share #1710 Posted August 18, 2023 I had a spinning icon show up on the back screen and never go away, after taking a photo with the camera the other day. First time I've seen that one. My wife was photographing at the time and she's not that familiar with the camera and it did that, she handed the camera to me and I tried to exit it but no luck. I thought maybe she has accidently used some kind of bulb mode but it turned out I think to be a freeze but hard to know as I wasn't the one using it at the time it occurred. Pulling the battery sorted it of course but has anyone else had this one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefreyL Posted August 18, 2023 Share #1711 Posted August 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Henners said: I had a spinning icon show up on the back screen and never go away, after taking a photo with the camera the other day. First time I've seen that one. My wife was photographing at the time and she's not that familiar with the camera and it did that, she handed the camera to me and I tried to exit it but no luck. I thought maybe she has accidently used some kind of bulb mode but it turned out I think to be a freeze but hard to know as I wasn't the one using it at the time it occurred. Pulling the battery sorted it of course but has anyone else had this one? I had the same issue. I was taking single shots but one after another and moving the camera in my I hands I believe I pressed the “Fn” button on the back which is by default Live View. I suspect Live View in addition to buffering simultaneously somehow created the error. I might be wrong. I had freezes but not the spinning circle and the light on forever. Just guessing here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted August 19, 2023 Share #1712 Posted August 19, 2023 I experienced a freeze in my M11M yesterday. Pulling the battery was necessary to reset. This problem seems widespread. I believe all M11-series owners either have or will experience this issue the more they use the camera. Perhaps important to note: My M11M froze after leaving the camera on for about 10 minutes as I looked for opportunities to snap pictures. I cannot recall seeing the problem occur if I switched it off between takes. I don’t think memory card makes a difference. I also don’t believe replacing the camera would make any difference. I’m convinced this is a firmware related bug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 19, 2023 Share #1713 Posted August 19, 2023 44 minutes ago, DBounce said: [...] My M11M froze after leaving the camera on for about 10 minutes as I looked for opportunities to snap pictures. I cannot recall seeing the problem occur if I switched it off between takes. I don’t think memory card makes a difference. I also don’t believe replacing the camera would make any difference. I’m convinced this is a firmware related bug. Problem is what bug it can be, if any, given that some bodies freeze and others don't. May i ask which time settings have been chosen for camera standby and display standby in your case? just curious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefreyL Posted August 19, 2023 Share #1714 Posted August 19, 2023 I think probably the default setting when I had the lockup. Now I use 30min for standby and 30s for display but I do not shoot in Live View and I don’t have Auto Review on. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighernan Posted August 21, 2023 Share #1715 Posted August 21, 2023 I’ve had a lockup or two every time I use my camera for months. M11 on 1.6.1 My habit is to turn off the camera whenever I’m not actively shooting it. This has been my process with every camera I’ve ever had even non-leicas. I’ve never let any camera go to sleep or standby. I usually use internal memory and no memory card and still experience lockups when turning camera on. What I’ve done the last few days is to turn off standby and display sleep. I also disabled Leica fotos connections, removed my iPad and iPhone. I also have USB mode set to PTP. no lockups since. I don’t really care for sleep or power saving functions. Don’t care much for fotos app wireless transfer. And I use PTP to my Mac Lightroom. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnolia Posted August 21, 2023 Share #1716 Posted August 21, 2023 I had a number of freezes last week after not having any for my first month of ownership. A couple interesting data points: last week was the first time I had used an uncoded Leica lens (28mm elmarit version 4) and I only got freezes with that lens. Never with my coded ‘lux lenses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 21, 2023 Share #1717 Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, magnolia said: [...] last week was the first time I had used an uncoded Leica lens (28mm elmarit version 4) and I only got freezes with that lens. Never with my coded ‘lux lenses. Did you select "Manual M" in the Lens Detection menu for this lens? If so, which lens profile did you choose if i may ask? Just curious. Edited August 21, 2023 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted August 22, 2023 Share #1718 Posted August 22, 2023 21 hours ago, bighernan said: I’ve had a lockup or two every time I use my camera for months. M11 on 1.6.1 My habit is to turn off the camera whenever I’m not actively shooting it. This has been my process with every camera I’ve ever had even non-leicas. I’ve never let any camera go to sleep or standby. I usually use internal memory and no memory card and still experience lockups when turning camera on. What I’ve done the last few days is to turn off standby and display sleep. I also disabled Leica fotos connections, removed my iPad and iPhone. I also have USB mode set to PTP. no lockups since. I don’t really care for sleep or power saving functions. Don’t care much for fotos app wireless transfer. And I use PTP to my Mac Lightroom. One thing i notice in my use case scenario is to prolong the standby mode as aking up from sleep seems to be the culprit..i always use ext sdcard exclusively btw as i have no comfort using the internal one but i regularly using wifi connection and usb mode depends on my usage, sometimes PTP other times mfi to say the least the latest firmware have solved most of the problem and cut down the freezes substantially in my case but one to each own we cant even single out the probalen that caused it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4p70r Posted August 22, 2023 Share #1719 Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) Since the most recent firmware update that I updated on on day 1 of the release the freezes were mitigated and had no freeze up. Last month I was on a 2 week holiday on Madeira. I switched off thee stand by mode is set the power saving mode to 5 min, but when I don't use the camera between shots I just switch off the camera, no bluetooth connection, no setup to Foto app smartphone connection etc. When I focus the camera I either use the rangefinder or the display. It worked almost the entire time of the holidays flawlessly, in the high altitude mountains, in the heat, sub-tropical climate etc. There was only 1 exception: On one day I was using the display excessively for focusing, in the hot sun. The camera got warm even though I switched off the camera when I was not shooting photos. Once I switch it off to take a photo, the camera didn't really turn on. The display was black and the red LED was permanently on, but the camera won't get into the state to be "properly" boot up like it was hung up in some kind of a loop. I waited, waited and waited.... Nothing changed. The only option was to pop out and in the battery to solve the problem. Edited August 22, 2023 by R4p70r Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 22, 2023 Share #1720 Posted August 22, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 1:58 AM, lct said: Problem is what bug it can be, if any, given that some bodies freeze and others don't. May i ask which time settings have been chosen for camera standby and display standby in your case? just curious. I’m curious at your assumption that some bodies don’t freeze. If true, that would suggest variance in hardware or software. Surely a more likely assumption is that the hardware is (largely) all the same and there is no variance in firmware. It follows that all M11 cameras will freeze if set up and used in the same way? It’s amazing that such a common problem hasn’t been sorted in the months since the camera was beta tested then released. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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