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1 minute ago, Kwesi said:

Yes. 

if you just have the 2 lenses then im not sure you are saving any time by manually selecting a profile for each lens when the M11 allows you to only show your two manual lens choices. I m not saying this will fix your problem but it seems you are adding an unnecessary complexity here. I remember creating user profiles for lenses years ago when I had the m9 and had to wade through an endless list of lenses but those days are behind us now

You're right, I'm not saving much time with a profile for each lens. But I still need profiles for different shooting situations, or simply a way to quickly get back to my preferred settings after I change some settings. Therefore having a profile or not for each lens doesn't change anything. And as I noted previously, the freezes happen at startup, before I have time to change profiles or lens selection.

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7 minutes ago, Qlan said:

You're right, I'm not saving much time with a profile for each lens. But I still need profiles for different shooting situations, or simply a way to quickly get back to my preferred settings after I change some settings. Therefore having a profile or not for each lens doesn't change anything. And as I noted previously, the freezes happen at startup, before I have time to change profiles or lens selection.

Got it.

I shoot my M cameras including the M 11 mostly on one shot at a time exposure, manual everything during daylight outdoors and then on auto ISO with a fixed shutter speed and exposure compensation as need when imi doors or outside at night. all these settings don't require me to dive into venues so I've never really found a need for user profiles. But I know they are quite popular. Someday I will take one of those free Leica owner classes that dives into all the possibilities available via menu options.

I hope your problem gets solved quickly. I've had my M11 since January and so far apart from some inconsistencies when using auto white balance, its been pretty dependable.

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Am 7.11.2022 um 13:53 schrieb LUF Admin:

I have forwarded your feedback to our partner (Speicherkarten-Guru) asking them to remove it from the selection for now.

OK, Sony Tough is removed from the recommendations:

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/sd-card-leica/

I have to correct myself: All cards are tested with a broad selection of cameras, resulting in the recommendation list.

They are not tested with the Leica M11 (I have still to convince Leica to give Matthias a test camera…)

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I have experienced the lock up a handful of times over the past several months and I think I found some contributing factors and a theory.

  1. I like to set my cameras to a short auto power off time and just leave the physical switch in the on position. when I want to shoot I just give the shutter a half press to wake.
  2. If I recall correctly the lock ups always happened when waking from sleep.
  3. The lock up happens when I try firing off a shot. for me it sounds like I'm taking a several second exposure and I have to pull the battery to stop the exposure.
  4. The lock up is always paired with a corrupted DNG file on the storage medium 
  5. Sometimes when powering on the device using the switch I notice the red LED on the back flashes for several seconds and then I hear the shutter open and then its ready to shoot. This is longer than the normal delay from power on.
  6. If I try to take a picture during the delayed red light flashing it results in the same symptom as the "spontaneous" lock up.
  7. I use Sony tough UHS II and Sandisk extreme pro UHS-I cards - lock ups have happened with both

My theory is that my lock ups are happening when you fire the shutter at the perfect time during one of these delayed power up/resume situations. I've seen it happen with both SD cards and the internal storage only. I have stopped leaving my camera on standby as described in #1 above but that led to #5. I think those situations are the same. something is happening on some power ups/wake and if you try to fire off a shot at the right time it gets stuck in this lock up. There must be some race condition that needs to be fixed.

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16 minutes ago, dscdsc said:

I have experienced the lock up a handful of times over the past several months and I think I found some contributing factors and a theory.

  1. I like to set my cameras to a short auto power off time and just leave the physical switch in the on position. when I want to shoot I just give the shutter a half press to wake.
  2. If I recall correctly the lock ups always happened when waking from sleep.
  3. The lock up happens when I try firing off a shot. for me it sounds like I'm taking a several second exposure and I have to pull the battery to stop the exposure.
  4. The lock up is always paired with a corrupted DNG file on the storage medium 
  5. Sometimes when powering on the device using the switch I notice the red LED on the back flashes for several seconds and then I hear the shutter open and then its ready to shoot. This is longer than the normal delay from power on.
  6. If I try to take a picture during the delayed red light flashing it results in the same symptom as the "spontaneous" lock up.
  7. I use Sony tough UHS II and Sandisk extreme pro UHS-I cards - lock ups have happened with both [...]

Did you try to disable auto review?

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vor 3 Stunden schrieb dscdsc:

I like to set my cameras to a short auto power off time

Why are you doing this if it's causing problems? The battery is so good that you can easily set it to 10 min. That's how I do it, maybe that's why I don't have freezes. Jono Slack always leaves his camera on, he has never used up a battery in one day.

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2 hours ago, dscdsc said:

I never use auto review

OK but i would quit using Sony UHS II cards, pending the next firmware upgrade, and i would do a camera reset if i were in your shoes. Now just trying to ID other possible causes, are you using Leica coded lenses, if not, hand coded ZM or CV lenses?

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5 minutes ago, elmars said:

Why are you doing this if it's causing problems? The battery is so good that you can easily set it to 10 min. That's how I do it, maybe that's why I don't have freezes. Jono Slack always leaves his camera on, he has never used up a battery in one day.

Well i do the opposite (2min standby) and i have zero freeze too...

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Am 23.11.2022 um 19:22 schrieb lct:

Well i do the opposite (2min standby) and i have zero freeze too...

Yea, I do believe this is caused by a combination of different settings not everyone has done! Had a similar situation with the Leica Q a couple of years ago when it was released. Leica customer care was not able to find the issue because they always did a reset before testing. Then I did my settings again, and tadaa, the issue was back again! 😉

Got my M11 btw. back from customer care. They couldn't find anything / were not able to reproduce the issue. That's what I expected. Nevertheless, they checked the hardware which seems to be fine. Therefore my assumption still is that this is really firmware related and not the hardware. I also kicked out the Sony Tough SD card and replaced it by an UHS-I from Sandisk. Fingers crossed this reduces the occurrences and the next firmware upgrade finally makes it go away completely! 

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On 11/9/2022 at 2:30 AM, Qlan said:

But most of the freezes I experienced at startup weren't when I changed lenses.

I’ve been reading your posts and I suspect this camera has a problem in the main board (could also be wiring issue) that causes these freezes.

I don’t think it is firmware or anything you’re doing. 

Not sure where they’re sourcing the electronics for the M11. Reading the forum here it seems this camera is pretty unreliable. Maybe it’s the source of the electronics during the Covid situation.

 

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1 hour ago, LeitzFanz said:

I’ve been reading your posts and I suspect this camera has a problem in the main board (could also be wiring issue) that causes these freezes.

i must have good wirings then. 20+ M lenses and 1 freeze issue (Sony Tough card) in about 4,500 shots.

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4 minutes ago, lct said:

Ah yes sorry i thought you were generalizing.

It just sounds to me, from reading his accounts, that his actions before a freeze are just coincidental. I think this camera has a hardware fault somewhere. Maybe a wire or the chipset. Seems like it can freeze just if he waits and stares at it. 

A new camera behaving this way sounds like a dud. He should get a replacement new one. 

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I just very recently got into Leica, I was originally looking at getting an M10 but visited the UK recently and found a really good deal at a Leica dealer on a near mint M240. I figured it'd be good to try it out and see how I got along with it. Needless to say I'm loving the experience and fulfills what I had previously been searching for with manual lenses on my Sony cameras

I really like what I see in the M11, I could do with or without the high resolution to be honest but it's nice to have I think. Having shot with the A7R series for the last few years I'm finding the smaller sizes on the M240 nice to work with. I currently have a Summilux 28mm and a CV 35mm ultron V2. I am looking to add either a Lux 50mm or the 50mm APO-cron if I can find a used lens and a decent price. If I end up going with an M11 instead I'll probably add a CV 50mm APO Lanthar or the Zeiss Planar 50mm f2 instead.

My question is, are the freeze up issues as widespread as they seem? I've been reading some posts here and other forums about it and I saw a YouTube video that was posted yesterday where the user was experience some lock ups, which appear to be rectified by removing the battery. For what the M11 costs, I'd be disappointed to have any issues like this, but I understand that even if the negative experiences are few and far between, we're more likely to read about them online. Any feedback is greatly appreciated in guiding me to the right decision for me. Thanks!

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