Wonzo Posted October 24, 2022 Share #101 Posted October 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) What I forgot to mention is, that you will hardly find any chromatic abberation neither with the new nor with the old lens. Which I think is quite remarkable, if you look at images of much younger (apochromatic) lenses shot into the direct light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sinjun Posted October 24, 2022 Share #102 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Stephencdean said: I have a titanium 35mm f1.4 (11860) and it doesn’t seem as soft as the new lens. I'd love to see a comparison of these two in the same lightning and scene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjun Posted October 24, 2022 Share #103 Posted October 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, Wonzo said: Now the same motive, shot with the M10-R and the old Steel Rim. Reflections and also the glow of the old lens are not as blurry as with the new version. Really interesting. Did you have a hood with the old steel rim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2022 Share #104 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) vor einer Stunde schrieb Stephencdean: I have a titanium 35mm f1.4 (11860) and it doesn’t seem as soft as the new lens. Will post two garden shots taken today, just unpacked lens! Apologies for lack of inspiration! New steel rim first then 11860 titanium. Both wide open. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Isn't the titanium a late version of the pre-Asph Summilux 35? The original steel-rim was early to mid-Sixties. 🤫 my post, being a Leica fan and rangefinder lover has been quoted. Edited October 24, 2022 by Apochromat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted October 24, 2022 Share #105 Posted October 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, Wonzo said: Now the same motive, shot with the M10-R and the old Steel Rim. Reflections and also the glow of the old lens are not as blurry as with the new version. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Seems to me that this shot is slightly underexposed vs the 1st one? Or is the new remake letting in more light at the same settings? Either way really appreciate the comparison shots if you have the chance please keep posting more, especially close ups wide open etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted October 24, 2022 Share #106 Posted October 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Apochromat said: Isn't the titanium a late version of the pre-Asph Summilux 35? The original steel-rim was early to mid-Sixties. Nikkor 1.8/35mm RF came out quite a bit earlier and draws much nicer wide open than any KofB or "Real KofB" past (or present, at least from what I can see here). How to adapt this Nikkor rangefinder 35mm lens to M-mount?? There are people, who know how. Only so much: the good but sadly discontinued Amadeo adapter works fine with the 1.4/50mm Nikkor on Leica M bodies. (Mind you, at that time 50mm Summilux were follow-ups to this back then reputable 1.4/50 Nikon rangefinder lens. David Douglas Duncan and Robert Frank were not the only ones, who opted for this 50mm on their Leica.) The Nikkor 1.8/35mm rangefinder lens patent expired some time ago - how come there are no modern clones? Because it is still available in comparatively larger numbers. It made the 35mm "wide angle" popular (neither the 8-element nor the steel-rim could in those days... sorry guys, this is a Leica forum, I apologize) and gave Nikon rangefinder cameras a boost, before the SLRs started to dominate. 1.8/35 and 1.4/50 Nikkor rangefinder lenses sold so well, based on the fact, that they were and still are great performers... on digital. too. Just saying! OK, the steel - rim is new, it's pretty and it has 6-bit coding. And it is made by Leica in Germany (not to mention the dandy hood). Nikkor 35/1.8 is a great lens, but very rare in l-mount. The UC-Hexanon 35 f2 is a copy / remake of the nikkor. That being said, 8e and steel rim are equally great : ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonzo Posted October 24, 2022 Share #107 Posted October 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 14 Minuten schrieb sinjun: Really interesting. Did you have a hood with the old steel rim? No, I didn`t use a hood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonzo Posted October 24, 2022 Share #108 Posted October 24, 2022 vor 5 Minuten schrieb shirubadanieru: Seems to me that this shot is slightly underexposed vs the 1st one? Or is the new remake letting in more light at the same settings? Either way really appreciate the comparison shots if you have the chance please keep posting more, especially close ups wide open etc Great observation. It might have to do with the M11 and its backlit sensor. The new SR was on the M11, the old one on the M10-R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHL0607 Posted October 24, 2022 Share #109 Posted October 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Yellow_78 said: This may fuel the desire 🤣 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Oh no… looks so good… 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonzo Posted October 25, 2022 Share #110 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 1. V1 from 1960 2. V3 new Both at f/1,4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 25, 2022 by Wonzo 8 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/341625-3514-steel-rim-shots-old-and-new/?do=findComment&comment=4545364'>More sharing options...
egrossman Posted October 25, 2022 Share #111 Posted October 25, 2022 The rendering of these lenses looks the same to my eyes. Very glad to see this. Thanks! Erik 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted October 25, 2022 Share #112 Posted October 25, 2022 35mm 1.4 Steel rim new at f 1.4 and ISO400 (M10-R) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/341625-3514-steel-rim-shots-old-and-new/?do=findComment&comment=4545391'>More sharing options...
Wonzo Posted October 25, 2022 Share #113 Posted October 25, 2022 vor 27 Minuten schrieb egrossman: The rendering of these lenses looks the same to my eyes. Very glad to see this. Thanks! Erik There are differences, but mostly only visible, if you zoom in. Bokeh bubbles are different, glow sometimes is different, but not really worth mentioning. The new edition is a bit sharper wide open - depending on the batch of the old V1. Leica really did a good job with this new edition. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted October 25, 2022 Share #114 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, satijntje said: 35mm 1.4 Steel rim new at f 1.4 and ISO400 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Any that show more of the famous coma ? e.g. a string of street lights running across the frame in to the corners Edited October 25, 2022 by FrozenInTime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted October 26, 2022 Share #115 Posted October 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Wonzo said: 1. V1 from 1960 2. V3 new Both at f/1,4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yi Looks the same but the v3 resolves slightly better (prob since it’s new / coatings are updated) rendering wise I can’t tell them apart thoug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted October 26, 2022 Share #116 Posted October 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Wonzo said: There are differences, but mostly only visible, if you zoom in. Bokeh bubbles are different, glow sometimes is different, but not really worth mentioning. The new edition is a bit sharper wide open - depending on the batch of the old V1. Leica really did a good job with this new edition. Can you show a comparison close up shot with bokeh bubbles? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 26, 2022 Share #117 Posted October 26, 2022 vor 8 Stunden schrieb Wonzo: 1. V1 from 1960 2. V3 new Both at f/1,4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The 35 mm f 1,4 (not the steel rim, a later version) was my second Leica lens (after a 90 mm Elmarit). When I see these photos I know why I sold it for a Summicron Asph. Modern lenses have great benefits. I like the look of a modern lens much more than the glow and the unsharpness of the older ones. But this is all a matter of taste. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted October 26, 2022 Share #118 Posted October 26, 2022 43 minutes ago, elmars said: The 35 mm f 1,4 (not the steel rim, a later version) was my second Leica lens (after a 90 mm Elmarit). When I see these photos I know why I sold it for a Summicron Asph. Modern lenses have great benefits. I like the look of a modern lens much more than the glow and the unsharpness of the older ones. But this is all a matter of taste. Realistically, if you want performance you would never shoot this long distance landscape shot at f2 / f1.4 (even with an ASPH lens)...of course the asph lens will be much sharper but they’re not great for landscapes wide open either. This kind of soft rendering shines when it’s close ups for portraits, bokeh, etc, or in b&w, where it brings a unique glow to the whites. This is something that no ASPH lens in leica lineup can reproduce. That’s why I love the lux / early crons as you get the best of both worlds (dreamy wide open & as sharp (or close enough) to modern rendering from 2.8 onwards). Of course, if you don’t want the dreamy look and want to use it wide open while getting a lot of sharpness, the modern lenses are much better in that sense. 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonzo Posted October 26, 2022 Share #119 Posted October 26, 2022 vor einer Stunde schrieb elmars: The 35 mm f 1,4 (not the steel rim, a later version) was my second Leica lens (after a 90 mm Elmarit). When I see these photos I know why I sold it for a Summicron Asph. Modern lenses have great benefits. I like the look of a modern lens much more than the glow and the unsharpness of the older ones. But this is all a matter of taste. Take a modern Summicron, shoot this scene at f/2,8 or f/4, do the same with the new Steel Rim, and show me the difference. I bet, you will have a hard time … At least for me the image results of the Steel Rim (old and new) are all I need, and it gives me everything I need. Dreamy and special images wide open and sharp images stopped down. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 26, 2022 Share #120 Posted October 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, shirubadanieru said: Realistically, if you want performance you would never shoot this long distance landscape shot at f2 / f1.4 (even with an ASPH lens)...of course the asph lens will be much sharper but they’re not great for landscapes wide open either. This kind of soft rendering shines when it’s close ups for portraits, bokeh, etc, or in b&w, where it brings a unique glow to the whites. This is something that no ASPH lens in leica lineup can reproduce. That’s why I love the lux / early crons as you get the best of both worlds (dreamy wide open & as sharp (or close enough) to modern rendering from 2.8 onwards). Of course, if you don’t want the dreamy look and want to use it wide open while getting a lot of sharpness, the modern lenses are much better in that sense. My thoughts exactly. Not every shot will show exactly why the lens is desirable - which (FTAOD) I'm sure it is. I have the v2, and a lot of my early use left me disappointed with muddy featureless landscapes, unimportant whites blown out, and high contrast uncomfortably rendered. I also have the Thambar-M and it has also taken me a long time to work out just what lighting and subjects bring out its legendary qualities in portraits and other scenes, rather than leaving me with a 'meh' feeling. (I'm not claiming I know how to get it right either, but occasionally the god of lighting combines with the right subject to produce something I'm happy with). 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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