New edition of the Leica Summilux-M 1.4/35mm ASPH.

[Gelatino]

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Not an optician nor a professional photographer, I don't see the advantage( sure some here will get great pleasure to convince me of the contrary) of the close focusing for a 35m specially for portrait. Even if 35 mm is not a super wide angle, the short focusing distance increases perspective issues, reduces sharpness zone, even more wide open.

For "macro" use, a longer focal lens gives more flexibility.

 

One reflection (with a C not a an X 😜) about the shade : the rectangular shape is the most efficient for the rectangular sensor (I 've never seen round shades on professional cinema cameras), so the rectangular shade is good for me, going back to the circular is regression IMVHO.

I assume that manufacturing the round shade (and cap) is also a lot easyer so  cheaper, so the final price can be contained.

To accumulate all advantages I would suggest a collapsible rectangular-shaped shade made of rubber, to be screwded or clipsed (no matter for me) on the lens. @ Leica R&D department if you read this 🤔

[mboerma]

1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

Please be advised that this forum is 7.34% silly jokes, puns and dark humor. It is an integral part of the terms and conditions agreement when you sign up 😏 because of this thing called Internet.
I for one love it that way as long as it is not rude or dissing a person in some bad flame war. The vast majority of members here consider humor to be a very healthy behavior: it makes us forget how much we paid for our expensive German (or Canadian, or Portugese) stuff.
 

I signed up for this forum almost 20 years ago, I just checked, maybe I've become less flexible on my mind. I rarely post a question or a remark because it is not easy to express oneself in subtle ways in a non-native language. And if I then post a question once in a while and this is the answer I is not nice. Simple as that. 

I like humor a lot, but not at the expense (which I felt) of others. But that is just me and my feelings behind my screen and my keyboard... 

 

 

[hdmesa]

9 hours ago, mboerma said:

Thanks for trying to explain but it is just bad manners and disrespectful in my world to make fun of someone else for not being able to express himself clearly in a different language. Just not right kicking someone down to get a better feeling about yourself. Like being in the playground at kindergarten and bullying another kid while his friend are laughing with him. That is what I see happening.

Like others said, the joke is that the person who made it is making fun of themselves because they are pretending to be dumb. It just came across the wrong way to you because perhaps culturally that’s not familiar to you.

There is an entire class of memes in the Internet where a person answers a question in a literal way that was not meant or by using an alternate meaning of a word.

(And someone will always post a real answer right afterward, anyway )

Here are a few memes that explain the humor:

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[Huss]

10 hours ago, mboerma said:

Edited September 18, 2022 by Huss
Concluded

[Huss]

8 hours ago, Al Brown said:

Please be advised that this forum is 7.34% silly jokes, puns and dark humor. It is an integral part of the terms and conditions agreement when you sign up 😏 because of this thing called Internet.
I for one love it that way as long as it is not rude or dissing a person in some bad flame war. The vast majority of members here consider humor to be a very healthy behavior: it makes us forget how much we paid for our expensive German (or Canadian, or Portugese) stuff.
 

 

 

I need a sense of humor when I try to explain why my excellent Pentax SMC 50mm f2 cost $15, but I really need a 50mm Summicron which is $2500.

[S Maclean]

20 hours ago, mboerma said:

Can anyone explain what the difference in minimal focus distance between the APO and the new FLE implies? 30cm for the APO and 40cm for the FLE II. Is this a big difference?

Depends on your style of photography.  For me it's quite a bit becasue I am used to ultra wide shots where I use the distorsion and the effect of closely focused subject within a wide range context.  easy on 21 mm and bellow, not so much at 35 and above. In other words, you need to know how to take advantge of close focusing At 35 mm.

Being able to focus that closely, and also to really make use of Bokeh effects opens a range of creative possibilities. 

So, for me, it is the 40cm PLUS the 1.4 apperture that makes this quite interesting.  30 cm in the APO is magnificent though.

This said, for most photography styles associated with the M system and typical users the close focusing has limited real use.

Edited September 18, 2022 by S Maclean

[S Maclean]

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9 hours ago, mboerma said:

Ok. Thanks. I’m sure it is me. It just quite a lot of effort to come up with the question. And to express myself so I could get an answer. If the person would have made the joke and also tried to answer it or ask a question to get a better idea of what I was trying to ask, it would have been ok or funny. Not like this. But again, it must be me. 

Just on't worry about it.  Its a comunity thing.  One joke here and there and a few really usefull tidbits in between...and then one or two distractions.    And for the record, Optically it is not 10 cm, it is 10.4567643.  

Edited September 18, 2022 by S Maclean

[gotium]

On 9/15/2022 at 3:57 PM, Jeff S said:

In any event, I would never sell to the last two dealers you cited.

For some specific issue, or just because their offers are low?

[Jeff S]

2 hours ago, gotium said:

For some specific issue, or just because their offers are low?

I prefer various other dealers for sale/trade.

Jeff

[Photoworks]

On 9/17/2022 at 7:23 PM, phototrope said:

Should I post pictures taken with the 35mm FLE v2 in this thread or start a new thread for pictures only?

why not a new one, but in reality optically it is the same, the 11 blades only comes in effect when you stop down.

[sdk]

My current favorite lens is the Zeiss 35mm/1.4 Distagon. Sure it's a bit longer than this new lens, or all the previous Leica 35mm Summiluxi, but it's also optically superior in nearly every way, flatter field, no focus shift, far better corner resolution, better secondary color correction, though not quite apochromatic performance. And the Zeiss is still far smaller than any DSLR 35mm/1.4 lens. It was great on my Leica M9-P and M-P digital, and is even better on my new M11. The Leica only 35mm that intrigues me now is the 35mm/2 Apo Summicron ASPH. It's expensive, but it's got the closest focus of any M-mount 35mm, and looks to be optically superior to all the others too. I did recently get the Voigtländer 35mm/2 Apo Lanthar VM, and it's good but has significant focus shift, and is almost as large as the Zeiss 35mm/1.4 so there is not much advantage there. So the new 35mm Summilux will not be going on my camera ever.

[nikrasov]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

the 11 blades only comes in effect when you stop down.

Actually, Summilux 35 FLE construction such that it has not totally round hole wide open. Aperture blades not completely hides wide open and it is not perfectly round - see on the lens through the front element. It does affect bokeh balls (you can see it in live view by slightly turning aperture wheel) and more aperture blades could potentially improve bokeh roundness wide open.

[junix]

The new FLE is splendid.. but I’ll probably keep my “old” FLE for the time being.

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[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, nikrasov said:

Actually, Summilux 35 FLE construction such that it has not totally round hole wide open. Aperture blades not completely hides wide open and it is not perfectly round - see on the lens through the front element. It does affect bokeh balls (you can see it in live view by slightly turning aperture wheel) and more aperture blades could potentially improve bokeh roundness wide open.

the new one is not round either , just a little more round.

Peter Karbe said in video yesterday that you have to stop down a bit to see a difference.

[Photoworks]

 

2 hours ago, sdk said:

My current favorite lens is the Zeiss 35mm/1.4 Distagon. Sure it's a bit longer than this new lens, or all the previous Leica 35mm Summiluxi, but it's also optically superior in nearly every way, flatter field, no focus shift, far better corner resolution, better secondary color correction, though not quite apochromatic performance. And the Zeiss is still far smaller than any DSLR 35mm/1.4 lens. It was great on my Leica M9-P and M-P digital, and is even better on my new M11. The Leica only 35mm that intrigues me now is the 35mm/2 Apo Summicron ASPH. It's expensive, but it's got the closest focus of any M-mount 35mm, and looks to be optically superior to all the others too. I did recently get the Voigtländer 35mm/2 Apo Lanthar VM, and it's good but has significant focus shift, and is almost as large as the Zeiss 35mm/1.4 so there is not much advantage there. So the new 35mm Summilux will not be going on my camera ever.

2 hours ago, sdk said:

flatter field

that is actually the secret of the pop in many Leica lenses going back in time. The middle focus point has a area more out of focus directly behind the subject and normalized to the border of the frame. the focus field is more like a wave.

[Crem]

3 hours ago, nikrasov said:

Actually, Summilux 35 FLE construction such that it has not totally round hole wide open. Aperture blades not completely hides wide open and it is not perfectly round - see on the lens through the front element. It does affect bokeh balls (you can see it in live view by slightly turning aperture wheel) and more aperture blades could potentially improve bokeh roundness wide open.

My FLE v1 lets me open the aperture slightly past the f1.4 setting. It's very slight... maybe call it f1.39 (joking) and it causes the blades to move completely out of the way. The aperture ring will hold the blades in this position and I believe it's a lens feature. I've seen a few other forum threads on this topic so I know it's not unique to my copy. It looks perfectly round to me when at this setting.

 

[evikne]

28 minutes ago, Crem said:

My FLE v1 lets me open the aperture slightly past the f1.4 setting. It's very slight... maybe call it f1.39 (joking) and it causes the blades to move completely out of the way. The aperture ring will hold the blades in this position and I believe it's a lens feature. I've seen a few other forum threads on this topic so I know it's not unique to my copy. It looks perfectly round to me when at this setting.

I've had two copies of the FLE v1, and both behaved as you describe.

[Jeremy Bunting]

The import duties from the UK to the US on the FLE II were $160, for those that asked me to check back in. I thought they'd be a bit less because I hadn't accounted for a couple discrete taxes and fees that I don't totally understand on top of the standard import duty, but my total spend is still just under $5k, well less than the lens would have cost me in the US (where I would have also had to pay substantially more in sales tax than I did in import duties).

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29 minutes ago, Jeremy Bunting said:

The import duties from the UK to the US on the FLE II were $160, for those that asked me to check back in. I thought they'd be a bit less because I hadn't accounted for a couple discrete taxes and fees that I don't totally understand on top of the standard import duty, but my total spend is still just under $5k, well less than the lens would have cost me in the US (where I would have also had to pay substantially more in sales tax than I did in import duties).

Thank you very much for disclosing that! That's far less than I would have imagined. I thought it would be 20% or something.

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[Jeff S]

41 minutes ago, Jeremy Bunting said:

, well less than the lens would have cost me in the US (where I would have also had to pay substantially more in sales tax than I did in import duties).

Well, technically, sales tax might still be owed, even if most don’t comply…

https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-295?language=en_US
 

Jeff