IkarusJohn Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1381 Posted October 23, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) True. It’s just a discussion. Maybe Leica is listening … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thedirektor Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1382 Posted October 23, 2022 20 hours ago, lmans said: Given the return to film, as many are doing...especially the younger crowd.... When is Canon going to bring back the AE-1 and Nikon the film Nikon and Olympus (whomever owns them now) the OM-1 etc.... Why not? If film is taking off, then those companies can bring back a film camera as well and it will be a heck of a lot cheaper than the M6, thus taking the market. If they re-do the AE-1 I'll use my M6 fund and buy EIGHT of them !! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1383 Posted October 23, 2022 49 minutes ago, Ouroboros said: ...fuelled in part on here by a beta-tester who obviously knows little more than anyone else outside of Leica about what the future holds... I think the part in bold is an incorrect characterization of Jono's connection to and discussions with Leica regarding the M6. Sometime's Leica's right hand doesn't know what its left hand is doing, but let's not shoot the messenger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1384 Posted October 23, 2022 Honestly, this thread should be locked. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leica5 Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1385 Posted October 23, 2022 I am also considering trading in my 86's leica M6 towards 2022 M6 as previous circuit boards are not available for future repair, plus added cost of CLA make it reasonable consideration for update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1386 Posted October 23, 2022 The thread started with a rumor about Leica announcing a new film camera was coming this year. We all had a lot fun with guessing what was the actual product going to be as opposed to what we we would like the new product to be. The announcement came as no surprise. Any time there have been big changes to the film body there has been pushback, so Leica played it safe and made mostly incremental improvements. Instead of appreciating the simple fact the last remaining film camera manufacturer has made the effort to introduce a model they feel will be more sustainable to continue to produce, the most knowledgeable forum about Leica spend an awful amount of effort arguing about minutiae. Celebrate the new camera! Leica has done a good job of supplying parts for older models but it’s not incumbent on them to assure there are electronic parts for your forty year old camera. Just be glad they are reliable as they are. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1387 Posted October 23, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 minutes ago, madNbad said: Instead of appreciating the simple fact the last remaining film camera manufacturer has made the effort to introduce a model they feel will be more sustainable to continue to produce, the most knowledgeable forum about Leica spend an awful amount of effort arguing about minutiae. Celebrate the new camera! Leica has done a good job of supplying parts for older models but it’s not incumbent on them to assure there are electronic parts for your forty year old camera. Just be glad they are reliable as they are. If Leica just needed to make some minor changes (improvements?) to make the M more sustainable surely they would have done so whilst keeping to the same MP and MA models. There was no need to introduce a re-release of a former model and to do that AND make it a more up to date/advanced model that the latest MP/MA would just seem bizarre. I am sure that the M6 is little more than a cosmetic variation of the MP. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1388 Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, earleygallery said: I am sure that the M6 is little more than a cosmetic variation of the MP. I haven’t been able to keep up with all the comments and quotes here eg from Leica or reviewers I’m afraid, but this would be my guess also. Small changes eg plate screws are about progress and I assume many have taken place in the life cycle of other camera production life. MP also changed the leatherette at some point didn’t it, and ok I’m unsure if that was announced (I doubt it was). The light meter compatibility question of new M6 to old M6 is interesting but considering MP light meter isn’t considered compatible to old M6 then I think m6-2 to M6 classic compatibility would also be wishful thinking Regarding the strip down, I think that’s just a bit of fun and it would be interesting to see if the M6 is an MP for no other good reason other than curiosity. I’m certainly not particularly worried about longevity of servicing and happily own a couple of TTLs which according to some sections of the internet will turn into a bricks any moment. For the sake of manufacturing ease, we surely have to expect m6-2 and MP to be the same. Unless I missed very good reason otherwise. Sorry if I did. If small changes have been made for any reason then my guess would be for them now to be consistent across both cameras moving forward, as well as backward compatible to older MP (eg a change in plate or some substitute parts). But again not older m6, of course. Overall I think the “all new parts” may be some marketing department speak for all new parts to the M6 line. ie different from the M6 classic because they are in fact mp ! Is that not an “all new” M6 and sounds much better in a product release hype than “here’s our existing camera re-badged”. I don’t really have anything more to add but am on board for the strip down for curiosity’s sake - so I’m raising my $11 to $50 😁 Edited October 23, 2022 by grahamc 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1389 Posted October 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, earleygallery said: If Leica just needed to make some minor changes (improvements?) to make the M more sustainable surely they would have done so whilst keeping to the same MP and MA models. There was no need to introduce a re-release of a former model and to do that AND make it a more up to date/advanced model that the latest MP/MA would just seem bizarre. I am sure that the M6 is little more than a cosmetic variation of the MP. Perhaps the release of the M6 will attract the next generation of buyers? The rising price of used M6s is driven by sales to to a younger demographic. Why not give them what they want? As film users, we all want the trend to continue and that means attracting new users. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtai Posted October 23, 2022 Share #1390 Posted October 23, 2022 The new M6 seems to have the same eye piece as the M10/M11. Logical Leica would want to share mechanical parts with digital M line. Someone must have held one at Wetzler to confirm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1391 Posted October 24, 2022 2 hours ago, earleygallery said: I am sure that the M6 is little more than a cosmetic variation of the MP. It should be noted that the MP was a cosmetic variation of the M6 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1392 Posted October 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Al Brown said: I wonder who started this supply chain scare rumor... All the Barnacks can still be repaired, all the M1's, M2's, all the M3's, M4's, etc. etc., Leica has all parts for their first digital camera M8 (albeit they do put in the M9 shutter that goes to 1/4000 if the former croaks) and can fix virtually everything but the M6 TTL, M7 and M9 (you know what parts I mean). So WHY ON EARTH would *anyone* be concerned about repairability of the younglings MP and M-A in the next 15-20 years? What are you talking about? There is so much stuff that Leica won’t touch, including the M5, the M8 with it’s failed ‘coffee stain’ lcd, the M9 where they will no longer touch it, none of the R series including the latest R9 etc just writing stuff that is not based on fact is neither informative nor helpful on a forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1393 Posted October 24, 2022 3 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: True. It’s just a discussion. Maybe Leica is listening … If they are, they should put out a statement or at least clarify off/on the record to Jono WTF is up between old M6 > MP > new M6. Details like this at this price point matter, even if it has zero impact on our photographs. Jono plainly stated that multiple Leica staff have said it's an all-new M6 and not a dressed up MP. So either everyone he spoke with was completely full of shit (always a possibility) or they weren't. I've not been a member here as long as many, but I've never read Jono follow up and reply so forcefully to this many people questioning what he was saying – so much so he had to bow out of the conversation to (in my opinion) keep from tearing some people some new ones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1394 Posted October 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, Danner said: It should be noted that the MP was a cosmetic variation of the M6 as well. Not true. Return to brass gears vs steel etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1395 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, hdmesa said: If they are, they should put out a statement or at least clarify off/on the record to Jono WTF is up between old M6 > MP > new M6. Details like this at this price point matter, even if it has zero impact on our photographs. Jono plainly stated that multiple Leica staff have said it's an all-new M6 and not a dressed up MP. So either everyone he spoke with was completely full of shit (always a possibility) or they weren't. I've not been a member here as long as many, but I've never read Jono follow up and reply so forcefully to this many people questioning what he was saying – so much so he had to bow out of the conversation to (in my opinion) keep from tearing some people some new ones. If I was Jono I would have bowed out too, because as Leica ambassador I’m sure he doesn’t want to get involved in this conversation. Edited October 24, 2022 by Huss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1396 Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, Huss said: If I was Jono I would have bowed out too, because there as Leica ambassador I’m sure he doesn’t want to get involved in this conversation. Definitely not with a crowd of people who think they know better ganging up on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1397 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, rtai said: The new M6 seems to have the same eye piece as the M10/M11. Logical Leica would want to share mechanical parts with digital M line. Someone must have held one at Wetzler to confirm. Yes you just reminded me the product sheet for new M6 says 0.73 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1398 Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Definitely not with a crowd of people who think they know better ganging up on him. When Leica has errors on the official spec sheet that they put out for the camera, it is hard to trust relayed information from marketing (?) You can see the officlal spec sheet here: https://leica-camera.com/en-US/photography/cameras/m/m6/technical-specs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1399 Posted October 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, grahamc said: Yes you just reminded me the product sheet for new M6 says 0.73 All the reviews from people who were at the launch say .72 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1400 Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Huss said: When Leica has errors on the official spec sheet that they put out for the camera, it is hard to trust relayed information from marketing (?) You can see the officlal spec sheet here: https://leica-camera.com/en-US/photography/cameras/m/m6/technical-specs It didn't sound like Jono was speaking exclusively with people in the marketing department, but I could be wrong of course. I think if he had the slightest doubt about the validity of the information he was sharing, he would have said so and walked it back. We really need someone to interview the lead of the M6 project and give us all the deets. We Leica users devour that kind of content. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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