Damn M7

[colint544]

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This might be the wildest thread on here.

[hdmesa]

6 hours ago, colint544 said:

This might be the wildest worst thread on here.

[vanhulsenbeek]

On 7/30/2022 at 4:11 PM, BradS said:

The thread isn't really about the M7 at all. The thread is about one person fluffing their feathers and strutting about trying desperately to convice himself and onlookers that he's extraordinary, super special, better than everybody else. Don't be fooled.

So what's new?

[John Robinson]

This is a very entertaining thread but there is an interesting question about photographic technique buried somewhere (putting aside the "my Leica is bigger/better than yours" theme or anything about why one might try to shoot multiple frames per second on a rangefinder camera).

I doubt there is any photographer, film- or digital, that has not missed the precise moment when the image appeared in the viewfinder because the shutter seemed to lag.  This is especially the case in action or performance photography.

The big difference between the purely-manual cameras and those with TTL metering that supports aperture-priority auto-exposure is the two-step press of the shutter button.  Get an exposure, hold the shutter release halfway down to retain it, then recompose and push fully down to take the shot.  I have seen this on a number of Leica cameras, film and digital, rangefinder and SLR.  Some (e.g. the M9) can be configured to make the shutter release on the first press, by-passing the exposure-lock.  On the R5, the lock only works in spot-metering mode.

So it is logical to assume that going directly for the full-press of the shutter release might involve a slight delay on such cameras.  Using manual exposure or changing the behaviour of the shutter release can help.  Otherwise, go for a purely mechanical camera like an M3, M2, M4, R6 etc.  Or pick up a Nikon F.  No shutter delay there, just an almighty "clack" as the shutter goes off.

[Fotoklaus]

vor 40 Minuten schrieb John Robinson:

This is a very entertaining thread but there is an interesting question about photographic technique buried somewhere (putting aside the "my Leica is bigger/better than yours" theme or anything about why one might try to shoot multiple frames per second on a rangefinder camera).

I doubt there is any photographer, film- or digital, that has not missed the precise moment when the image appeared in the viewfinder because the shutter seemed to lag.  This is especially the case in action or performance photography.

The big difference between the purely-manual cameras and those with TTL metering that supports aperture-priority auto-exposure is the two-step press of the shutter button.  Get an exposure, hold the shutter release halfway down to retain it, then recompose and push fully down to take the shot.  I have seen this on a number of Leica cameras, film and digital, rangefinder and SLR.  Some (e.g. the M9) can be configured to make the shutter release on the first press, by-passing the exposure-lock.  On the R5, the lock only works in spot-metering mode.

So it is logical to assume that going directly for the full-press of the shutter release might involve a slight delay on such cameras.  Using manual exposure or changing the behaviour of the shutter release can help.  Otherwise, go for a purely mechanical camera like an M3, M2, M4, R6 etc.  Or pick up a Nikon F.  No shutter delay there, just an almighty "clack" as the shutter goes off.

What you are describing is the Auto Exposure Lock, which is not included in every camera with a two stage trigger. Some cameras just put

the metering system on with pressing the first stage. The only delay noteicable is on AF- cameras with Autofocus Proirity. The camera will just fire when it has focused.

To press the second stage, the first stage has been already pressed and the value metered is set before you release the shutter.

The metering is done instantly.

If i switch the Autofocus off on my AF- cameras i can just push the trigger and it fires off. Canon, Nikon, Olympus...

On other cameras like a Nikon FE2 the meter is always on when the camera is on. Push the button, instant release.

The only short delay between an M2/M3 and a mechanical SLR is the time to lift the mirror. If you can lock the mirror up than even this time is saved.

Maybe there is a short time difference between the release systems (Mechanical differences, one Millimeter more tot travel on this or that button),

But if you miss a shot, your own reactiion time was too long. And there we are talking about 2-4 tenth of a second and not about Milliseconds anymore.

 

 

[hdmesa]

4 hours ago, John Robinson said:

...On the R5, the lock only works in spot-metering mode...

I thought AE lock can be tied to shutter half press on the R5 (any metering mode). I don't have mine any longer to check.

[romualdo]

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On 7/29/2022 at 6:22 PM, Fotoklaus said:

Why does Frank Zappa come into my mind...

"Do what you want to, do what you will but don't mess up your neighbour's thrill" FZ