DNG at 36 MP vs M 10R Question

[Petrichor]

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As a newbie, I have read about the M10P and M10R. My first Leica is the M11 and I love it with the Summicron 50 f2.

Some authors prefer the rendering from either of these M10 models to the M11 files.

Has anybody compared the M11 at 36MP to either of the M10’s and got an opinion of the differences, similarities or expressed preferences?

Does the ‘pixel dumping’ of the M11 bring it closer to the M10 files?

[hdmesa]

M11 is best shot at the full 60mp, end of story. There is no magic in pixel binning. And in my opinion, there is no magic in the M10-R over the M11 either. This happens with every release of a new body. The old body somehow becomes mystical, magical, full of secret wonders and treasures. 🤫

If someone thinks the look of the M10R FSI sensor beats the M11 BSI in a way that matters to them, then great.

The image content is what matters. The rest is somewhat superfluous given how good full frame cameras have been the last few years.

[Petrichor]

I totally agree with image content - just wondering …

im committed to my M11.

[frame-it]

3 hours ago, hdmesa said:

The old body somehow becomes mystical, magical, full of secret wonders and treasures.

sometimes the new body too

[FlashGordonPhotography]

I can't think of a single thing where my M10R bests my M11. IMHO some of the *issues are much ado about nothing. I do occasionally shoot at 36MP. But mostly at either 60 or 18. The only reasons to do this are for smaller file sizes and a larger buffer burst. Otherwise you can do it in post and acheive near identical results. I do like setting things in camera though so it suits me.

As far as IQ goes, I slightly prefer the colours of the M11. Purely personal preference. The M11 has *slightly* better DR when the files are equalised due to the BSI design but it's not enough to make a camera choice on.

The M10R is a fine camera but I think, redundant if you have an M11.

Gordon

[LeicaR10]

Petrichor,  First, welcome to the forum.  Second, I sent you a PM.  r/ Mark

[BJohn]

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9 hours ago, hdmesa said:

M11 is best shot at the full 60mp, end of story. There is no magic in pixel binning. And in my opinion, there is no magic in the M10-R over the M11 either. This happens with every release of a new body. The old body somehow becomes mystical, magical, full of secret wonders and treasures. 🤫

If someone thinks the look of the M10R FSI sensor beats the M11 BSI in a way that matters to them, then great.

The image content is what matters. The rest is somewhat superfluous given how good full frame cameras have been the last few years.

That one is spot on! Couldn't agree more!

[jaapv]

Except for the words "full"frame". The difference - if any- to APS-C is marginal. As is the relevancy of pixel count - just calculate the number of pixels needed for a 300 DPI print...

[SrMi]

4 hours ago, jaapv said:

Except for the words "full"frame". The difference - if any- to APS-C is marginal. As is the relevancy of pixel count - just calculate the number of pixels needed for a 300 DPI print...

There is indication that noise reduction works better with higher resolution images. Certain image modifications, e.g., Perspective Control, work better with higher resolution.

[Jared]

15 hours ago, Petrichor said:

As a newbie, I have read about the M10P and M10R. My first Leica is the M11 and I love it with the Summicron 50 f2.

Some authors prefer the rendering from either of these M10 models to the M11 files.

Has anybody compared the M11 at 36MP to either of the M10’s and got an opinion of the differences, similarities or expressed preferences?

Does the ‘pixel dumping’ of the M11 bring it closer to the M10 files?

I think the same claims—that the rendering of the old sensor was better—were made with the release of the M8.2 (need for IR filter removed), the M240 (that one still hasn’t settled down, really), the M10R (resolution “too high”), and now with the M11. 

Ignore it. The M11 has the potential for higher resolution if your technique is spot on, it has a bit more dynamic range, it has lower dark current, higher quantum efficiency/sensitivity, and lower read noise. The M10R was no slouch, but the M11 is a bit better.