Jeff S Posted April 30, 2022 Share #21 Posted April 30, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, SrMi said: DXOMark and DXO (PhotoLab) are two different companies. Which software is DXOMark selling? Spun off from the same company.. https://www.diyphotography.net/dxo-mark-splits-dxo-labs-becomes-independent-company/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share #22 Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeff S said: Spun off from the same company.. https://www.diyphotography.net/dxo-mark-splits-dxo-labs-becomes-independent-company/ Jeff Yes,4 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share #23 Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, jaapv said: You may well be right. However, it does not take away my objection that they pretend to measure the sensor, give camera output measurements instead and that their ratings have little value for real-life photography unless the measurements are translated by somebody like Bill Claff. A high "DXO rating" is a marketing tool. I do not find any type of scoring useful, be it DPR or DXO. DXO's measurements can be useful, IMO. It is complementary to P2P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 30, 2022 Share #24 Posted April 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, SrMi said: Yes,4 years ago. About the same amount of time it takes DXO Labs to get hold of certain Leica gear for testing and profiling. (And never for Monochroms.) Not very impressed with either company. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #25 Posted April 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, SrMi said: I do not find any type of scoring useful, be it DPR or DXO. DXO's measurements can be useful, IMO. It is complementary to P2P. P2P interprets DXO data for his own graphs. I think some may suspect that I am not really interested in scoring too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share #26 Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, jaapv said: P2P interprets DXO data for his own graphs. I think some may suspect that I am not really interested in scoring too Most of P2P measurements are independent of DXO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #27 Posted April 30, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/332025-dxomark-tested-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4427108'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share #28 Posted April 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, jaapv said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The note says that in cases where P2P did not conduct measurements (missing camera data), one can use the graphs derived from DXO's data instead. Bill Claff conducts measurements on data provided by others (not DXO). I have provided Bill with data for several of the cameras shown in P2P. Anything derived from DXO is clearly marked as such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #29 Posted April 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, SrMi said: I have provided Bill with data for several of the cameras shown in P2P. I know, so have I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted April 30, 2022 Share #30 Posted April 30, 2022 I have always found these ratings to be about as useful as comparing cars by measuring which falls faster when dropped off a cliff. Does anyone really believe that the sensor in the Pentax 645Z sensor from 2014 is better than every sensor since 2014 (except 2016's Hasselblad X1D)? I am not saying the information is "wrong", just that it has only passing relation to any useful aspect of a camera. It does not account for how the camera is designed, the sensor size, resolution, what the color is like, or pretty much anything that actually dictates whether a camera is worth buying. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted May 1, 2022 Share #31 Posted May 1, 2022 12 hours ago, M11 for me said: I understand: You are not a friend of DxO. I am. The problem is they don't publish their methodology. I'm left to assume their methodology is so incredible they can't possibly let me read it lest my brain short-circuit. Or they don't have a methodology that would pass scientific scrutiny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted May 1, 2022 Share #32 Posted May 1, 2022 I think that the "Overall" and the "Portrait" scores are absolutely useless whereas "Landscape" and "Sport" are useful. For that you have to read the description of DxO. In all my posts above I actually referred to these two measurements. The fact that the M11 is on top is still great. I love my M11 even more 🥰 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiggiGun Posted May 1, 2022 Share #33 Posted May 1, 2022 I guess the Leica M marketing staff will be happy. in Real life, I see no interest in such type of information. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted May 1, 2022 Author Share #34 Posted May 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: I have always found these ratings to be about as useful as comparing cars by measuring which falls faster when dropped off a cliff. Does anyone really believe that the sensor in the Pentax 645Z sensor from 2014 is better than every sensor since 2014 (except 2016's Hasselblad X1D)? I am not saying the information is "wrong", just that it has only passing relation to any useful aspect of a camera. It does not account for how the camera is designed, the sensor size, resolution, what the color is like, or pretty much anything that actually dictates whether a camera is worth buying. Yes, the IQ of sensor in 645z, X1DII, and GFX50 (all have the same sensor) is considered better than in any FF sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
analog-digital Posted May 1, 2022 Share #35 Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) What does sports have to do with low light? Apart from in the hall (inside by NO light)? Edited May 1, 2022 by analog-digital Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted May 1, 2022 Author Share #36 Posted May 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, analog-digital said: What does sports have to do with low light? Apart from in the hall (inside by NO light)? My guess: both sport (high shutter speed) and low light require high ISO. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 1, 2022 Share #37 Posted May 1, 2022 Why does sport in general require a high shutter speed? Admittedly many do, but I can think of plenty less speedy sports, from archery to chess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted May 1, 2022 Share #38 Posted May 1, 2022 When did Chess become a sport? It’s a game. Next thing solitaire re will be an extreme event. Gordon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted May 1, 2022 Author Share #39 Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, jaapv said: Why does sport in general require a high shutter speed? Admittedly many do, but I can think of plenty less speedy sports, from archery to chess. Speed chess? 😂 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 1, 2022 Share #40 Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: When did Chess become a sport? It’s a game. Next thing solitaire re will be an extreme event. Gordon Ask that of any chess master. Competing by mind is as much sport as competing by body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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