SrMi Posted April 29, 2022 Share #1 Posted April 29, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) FWIW, here are DxOMark scores and measurements. Enjoy: https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Leica/M11 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tailwagger Posted April 29, 2022 Share #2 Posted April 29, 2022 38 minutes ago, SrMi said: FWIW, here are DxOMark scores and measurements. Enjoy: https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Leica/M11 pretty funny... M11 sports score: 3376, SL2: 1821 At least the M11 rating, if not one's personal results, satisfies the need to feel things are state of the art. Regardless, grain of salt on this stuff. I regularly shoot with both of the above at the same location and often a week or two on, I cant tell which was which without looking at the EXIF. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 29, 2022 Share #3 Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: pretty funny... M11 sports score: 3376, SL2: 1821 At least the M11 rating, if not one's personal results, satisfies the need to feel things are state of the art. Regardless, grain of salt on this stuff. I regularly shoot with both of the above at the same location and often a week or two on, I cant tell which was which without looking at the EXIF. I don’t bother with these type scores, but if I read it correctly, the numbers you cite just refer to an ISO low light threshold. The SL2-S scored a bit higher (3504) than the M11 in this regard, and by all reports is better than the SL2 in low light. The overall DXO sensor scores are 100 for the M11 and 95 for the SL2-S. Not very different or surprising, it seems. Not that I care, relying instead on my own practical gear assessments. Jeff Edited April 29, 2022 by Jeff S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted April 30, 2022 Share #4 Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, SrMi said: DxOMark scores now we can all sleep better! don't forget to get up early and take photos! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted April 30, 2022 Share #5 Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeff S said: I don’t bother with these type scores, but if I read it correctly, the numbers you cite just refer to an ISO low light threshold. The SL2-S scored a bit higher (3504) than the M11 in this regard, and by all reports is better than the SL2 in low light. Precisely why I find labeling it with sports as comical. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And oops... I cited the original SL, not SL2. All a waste of time really. Edited April 30, 2022 by Tailwagger 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And oops... I cited the original SL, not SL2. All a waste of time really. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/332025-dxomark-tested-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4426766'>More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #6 Posted April 30, 2022 I’ve always enjoyed DXO for its satire…one of the best comedy sites around. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 30, 2022 Share #7 Posted April 30, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 1 Stunde schrieb Ba Erv: I’ve always enjoyed DXO for its satire…one of the best comedy sites around. No, a very interesting data base that is published at no cost. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #8 Posted April 30, 2022 However, with questionable results from time to time. Basically a honeypot to sell their software. Best used filtered by Photons to Photos. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 30, 2022 Share #9 Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) vor 18 Minuten schrieb jaapv: Basically a honeypot to sell their software. That is correct. Of course there is a business model behind: They develop software. Nothing wrong with that. And as they depend themselves on their own data its more than just comedy. And for all the M11 owners: The M11 is on top of the scale 🤪 We hope it will be forever. Edited April 30, 2022 by M11 for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #10 Posted April 30, 2022 No, but the results are presented as objective. They misrepresent what they are doing. They claim to test sensors, which they don't. They test the camera output, which is the sum of the lens used, the sensor output, camera electronics and firmware. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 30, 2022 Share #11 Posted April 30, 2022 Of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #12 Posted April 30, 2022 40 minutes ago, M11 for me said: No, a very interesting data base that is published at no cost. You definitely get what you pay for there…😂 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #13 Posted April 30, 2022 Indeed. The Nikon D3X (from 2008) beats the Nikon D5 (from 2016) for instance. The Nikon D3400 ( 650$, APS-C) is better by a fair margin than the Canon EOS 6D mkII (2000$, full frame) and so on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 30, 2022 Share #14 Posted April 30, 2022 But the M11 is the best. That is whar counts 😑 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 30, 2022 Share #15 Posted April 30, 2022 vor 3 Stunden schrieb jaapv: Indeed. The Nikon D3X (from 2008) beats the Nikon D5 (from 2016) for instance. The Nikon D3400 ( 650$, APS-C) is better by a fair margin than the Canon EOS 6D mkII (2000$, full frame) and so on... I understand: You are not a friend of DxO. I am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #16 Posted April 30, 2022 I am not really a friend or not a friend - I only question the validity of their ratings, based on examples like I mention. 34 minutes ago, M11 for me said: But the M11 is the best. That is whar counts 😑 Actually, what counts is whether the photographs you take with the M11 are the best. There is no objective "best" in cameras, 'most suited for purpose" is nearer the mark. Sometimes it is an iPhone, sometimes a Leica Sofort, sometimes a Phase One P100, sometimes an M11 (or an M3...) See the laughable DXO score for "sports". What sports? Chess, an M11 is fine , Formula 1 or diving, not so much... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 30, 2022 Share #17 Posted April 30, 2022 vor 23 Minuten schrieb jaapv: See the laughable DXO score for "sports". What sports? Chess, an M11 is fine , Formula 1 or diving, not so much... . . . see the DxO description. Makes all sense. Its not what you state above. 🤗 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share #18 Posted April 30, 2022 5 hours ago, jaapv said: However, with questionable results from time to time. Basically a honeypot to sell their software. Best used filtered by Photons to Photos. DXOMark and DXO (PhotoLab) are two different companies. Which software is DXOMark selling? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2022 Share #19 Posted April 30, 2022 You may well be right. However, it does not take away my objection that they pretend to measure the sensor, give camera output measurements instead and that their ratings have little value for real-life photography unless the measurements are translated by somebody like Bill Claff. A high "DXO rating" is a marketing tool. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 30, 2022 Share #20 Posted April 30, 2022 DxOMark says the M11 is a great camera - how dare they!! Fanboys! Brainwashed Leica Fanboys, I say!!! [/sarcasm] [/humor] 😅 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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