New Firmware 1.3.0 for Leica M11 (and Fotos app updated to 3.1.0)

[hmzimelka]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

17 minutes ago, SrMi said:

- fixed ISO and aperture

- looking through rangefinder, the shutter speed does not change when turning LV on and off.

Yeah, pretty much that. I find the biggest discrepancy when there is high contrast. Such as those I posted above. 

 

Edited April 5, 2022 by hmzimelka

[M11 for me]

That is a very queer finding. I wonder if this is just on your camera or on a few cameras. I am unsure about that as for me the metering is working better (more reliable) than with my M10. As a consequence I find myself much more often in pure "A" mode. For me the M11 is a big step forward. So I can not understand what is wrong with your camera. Its good you reported to Leica. Could you maybe rent an other model to try out?

[hmzimelka]

9 hours ago, M11 for me said:

That is a very queer finding. I wonder if this is just on your camera or on a few cameras. I am unsure about that as for me the metering is working better (more reliable) than with my M10. As a consequence I find myself much more often in pure "A" mode. For me the M11 is a big step forward. So I can not understand what is wrong with your camera. Its good you reported to Leica. Could you maybe rent an other model to try out?

My first M11 behaved similarly as my current one but that was also before the latest firmware version with highlight weighted metering. It too over exposed at the slightest hint of deep shadow detail. 
 

Im hoping it may be a bug in how I've set up my camera. Perhaps Leica will need me to send my set file to them. Or perhaps there is another way to pull logs or other data from the camera. 
 

Edited April 6, 2022 by hmzimelka

[Jewl]

vor 9 Minuten schrieb hmzimelka:

My first M11 behaved similarly as my current one but that was also before the latest firmware version with highlight weighted metering. It too over exposed at the slightest hint of deep shadow detail. 
 

Im hoping it may be a bug in how I've set up my camera. Perhaps Leica will need me to send my set file to them. Or perhaps there is another way to pull logs or other data from the camera. 
 

For me it is behaving quite similarly. I mainly experienced it when in a darker situation with artificial light where suddenly the picture was totally overexposed and the next one without moving too much looked completely different / was normally exposed. My perception is this could be optimized with changing the metering algorithms and should not be too complicated to reproduce if I experienced it on the first day a couple of times while testing it!

Overall I still find the metering works better than the M10‘s but it definitely needs a slight optimization to make it even more reliable!

[anickpick]

vor 11 Stunden schrieb SrMi:

I cannot reproduce it in my initial testing:

- fixed ISO and aperture

- looking through rangefinder, the shutter speed does not change when turning LV on and off.

How did you reproduce it?

I can reproduce it: 

1. Look through the OVF.

2. Press "FN" (while looking through the OVF and not moving the camera) and look for changes in shutter speed

3. Try different light situations. Most of the times, there is no change in shutter speed. Try point the camera towards a light source. 

[hmzimelka]

If I could ask those that are concerned about it to please report it to Leica. It would probably expedite a fix if more than just a handful of users report an issue.

I wrote to info AT leica-camera DOT com and they requested DNG files with their reply.

For this price level, I find all these issues rather unacceptable. But that' not unlike Leica with their M line. I'm glad I have my Nikon equipment for paid work as I'm likely to have experienced a lost moment with the M11.

Edited April 6, 2022 by hmzimelka

[M11 for me]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

Very good. At least a reply.

[M11 for me]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb anickpick:

I can reproduce it: 

1. Look through the OVF.

2. Press "FN" (while looking through the OVF and not moving the camera) and look for changes in shutter speed

3. Try different light situations. Most of the times, there is no change in shutter speed. Try point the camera towards a light source. 

I tried it your way. With my M11 I see no such behaviour. I write this just to say that seemingly there are cameras with other behaviour. I wonder why.

[Photoworks]

5 hours ago, anickpick said:

I can reproduce it: 

1. Look through the OVF.

2. Press "FN" (while looking through the OVF and not moving the camera) and look for changes in shutter speed

3. Try different light situations. Most of the times, there is no change in shutter speed. Try point the camera towards a light source. 

Are you holding the shutter bottom pressed?

[LEGEND]

I also tried to reproduce this and did't menage to do so. I had mounted my M11 on the tripod, 
I shoot form inside my room trough the window so there was much shadows from inside the room
and bright sky outside. Perfect scene for highlight weighted metering. First I metered the scene with live view on,
the shutter speed was the same inside the rangefinder and on the LCD screen. Also when I turned the LV off and 
metered the scene soo the exposure was the same. Also when I turned the camera on, LV on and than shut the
camera off and than on with LV it showed always the same espouser... I tried this with holding the camera in hands
and there started these problem. Also with different combinations, LV on, off... But the shutter speed was the same, 
inside the rangefinder and outside on showed on the LCD with turned on. If I moved the camera during this test just 
a little the shutter speed started to change. Small movement and the metering react because the amount of light change.
It seams that the highlight weighted metering is very sensitive to that. Must test more but I think it works fine , at least 
for me... It could be better uf course...

Nikola

[SrMi]

10 hours ago, anickpick said:

I can reproduce it: 

1. Look through the OVF.

2. Press "FN" (while looking through the OVF and not moving the camera) and look for changes in shutter speed

3. Try different light situations. Most of the times, there is no change in shutter speed. Try point the camera towards a light source. 

I tried various scenes and did not see a difference. It would be nice if anyone who sees a difference would share the two shots where metering differs.

[anickpick]

28 Lux, wide open, ISO 64, one is 1/350, one (LV) is 1/500.

shot raw, imported into Lightroom, no changes, saved as jpeg.

This is no big deal (to me), but there is a small difference in metering LV vs. non LV.

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

Edited April 6, 2022 by anickpick

[anickpick]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Photoworks:

Are you holding the shutter bottom pressed?

no. I do not press the shutter bottom. Just switching between LV on and off.

[anickpick]

It is these kind of situations, where I find the meetering system of the M11 much more troublesome:

20 shots in a row. 19 turn out ok (like the second shot with some variation), one like the first shot...☹️

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

Edited April 6, 2022 by anickpick

[Tailwagger]

11 hours ago, anickpick said:

I can reproduce it: 

1. Look through the OVF.

2. Press "FN" (while looking through the OVF and not moving the camera) and look for changes in shutter speed

3. Try different light situations. Most of the times, there is no change in shutter speed. Try point the camera towards a light source. 

I can reproduce this as well.   In fact, I reproduced this with the lens cap on, so obviously there was no chance of any change in the lighting.  Values jumped from 24' in EV mode down to 15' in RF. 

The next question, of course, is which mode, if either, is generating the correct numbers. 

[Photoworks]

I am doing some tests as well and the different metering are totally random. I would have aspects better results in Highlight metering..

 

On a side note I take a photos and go to play the image and nothing is coming up. actually the FN Botton does nothing and menu does nothing.. 
But the camera is not frozen.. I will take another shot and it works again..

It is a concern since it happened 5 time in the last hour...

 

I am using preview image when pressed, but I already take of my finger.. I am afraid it is a bug to report..

[anickpick]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Photoworks:

On a side note I take a photos and go to play the image and nothing is coming up. actually the FN Botton does nothing and menu does nothing.. 
But the camera is not frozen.. I will take another shot and it works again..

This I cannot reproduce now. However, I do remember that this behavior has occurred twice since I have my M11.

[smg139]

My default ISO from Leica is 12500. Anyone explain me that??

[jaapv]

Your ISO is what you set it to. I do not think that there is a default. Are you in a user profile where you have set it to this value?

[Advertisement]

Hallo,

Look here: Interesting Leica gear

[SrMi]

2 hours ago, smg139 said:

My default ISO from Leica is 12500. Anyone explain me that??

What is your setting on the ISO dial? M?