What feature(s) have Leica kept back for the M11-P?

[colint544]

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I think we can safely guess that when the M11-P arrives in a couple of years, it will very likely have that nice script engraved on the top plate.

But what else might it have, to keep it fresh for a while longer?

[didier]

I’d like to have the possibility to add the traditional metering mode (on shutter curtain) back in order to be able to choose between this mode and the one chosen for the M11. It would give us this option to come back to a maybe little shorter shutter lag with the M10P motor noise.

 

A black paint version would be nice too   

[colint544]

17 minutes ago, Artin said:

There is not much left for them to tempt us, Maybe long shot introduce IBIS  doubtful ??, they can go with a new processor in the works with a larger buffer but that is not going to be huge as it is the buffer in the M11 is adequate. brass top plate ??  There really is not much lacking on the M11 

 

13 minutes ago, didier said:

I’d like to have the possibility to add the traditional metering mode (on shutter curtain) back in order to be able to choose between this mode and the one chosen for the M11. It would give us this option to come back to a maybe little shorter shutter lag with the M10P motor noise.

 

A black paint version would be nice too   

They have a real knack of improving something - quieter shutter, or bigger buffer - and making the P version just that bit more desirable.

With something like the M9 or M240, you could see obvious things to improve. But yes, the M platform is pretty well-developed now. Hard to see where they can take it into the future, although I bet they're not done with it yet.

Edited January 29, 2022 by colint544

[didier]

3 minutes ago, Artin said:

there is no shutter lag I have no Idea where this notion is coming from ? 

S. Reid measured a slightly longer shutter lag compared to the M10 (as far as I remember about + 20 ms). It is not huge, but during film times, the M was the camera with the shortest shutter lag. I always found that useful for portraits for exemple.

And with the on-shutter metering mode as an option, you’d get the possibility to get the M10P motor noise

[digitalfx]

29 minutes ago, didier said:

S. Reid measured a slightly longer shutter lag compared to the M10 (as far as I remember about + 20 ms). It is not huge, but during film times, the M was the camera with the shortest shutter lag. I always found that useful for portraits for exemple.

And with the on-shutter metering mode as an option, you’d get the possibility to get the M10P motor noise

He measured it by taking photos and admitted it wasn't accurate. On the other hand Leica has given us the correct number- 10ms

Regardless .001 second or .002 second vs M10...does it really matter?

[SrMi]

31 minutes ago, didier said:

S. Reid measured a slightly longer shutter lag compared to the M10 (as far as I remember about + 20 ms). It is not huge, but during film times, the M was the camera with the shortest shutter lag. I always found that useful for portraits for exemple.

And with the on-shutter metering mode as an option, you’d get the possibility to get the M10P motor noise

Sean Reid measured the increase in shutter lag of 17ms, Leica said that the increase is 10ms. Both said that the change is not noticeable.

[charlesphoto99]

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Having actually handled one now, I would say there is no shutter lag. 

[mmx_2]

Brass top, black paint and no logo. That‘s my bet.

i would like to see:

More RAM (bigger buffer)

More internal memory

[mmx_2]

1 hour ago, Artin said:

IBIS would probably be the angle they go with, and that will fill up the coffers fast. 

Sure, but I’m quite confident that it will take until at least M12 until we see IBIS, there is just not enough space in the camera today.

[Gelatino]

Obvious for me: the perspective control will be back.  I bet it won't be on any of the coming upgrade firmware  for the M11 before the M11-P. Why would Leica have take it off ?

M(X) basic model    M(X)-P improved model.

[sebben]

Perspective control is coming next firmware according to the Leica live stream discussion 

[SrMi]

8 minutes ago, sebben said:

Perspective control is coming next firmware according to the Leica live stream discussion 

Thanks! Do you remember where it was mentioned (link)?

[darylgo]

Focus confirmation, either via sound or a visual spot in the viewfinder.

Indication in the viewfinder (rangefinder) of +/- exposure scale.    

The option to turn off  evf stabilization, it gives a false indication of my ability to handhold a 60mp sensor camera.  

An additional menu feature to turn off those menu features I never use.   

The ability to move menu items up/down and create a hierarchy.  

The ability to customize all menu items on a computer screen via the usb-c cable.  

The eyepiece attachment size needs standardizing, many attachments selling new need an adapter to work on the M10 and M11.  

 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

More internal storage.

No red dot

Black Paint on brass option.

That'll be enough for me.

Gordon

[shirubadanieru]

I think we could even get this though a firmware update but if not then having in the p would be nice:

- option to turn off metering and go fully manual

- option to select paired/unpaired frame lines to have a less cluttered viewfinder

[Jeff S]

19 minutes ago, shirubadanieru said:

- option to select paired/unpaired frame lines to have a less cluttered viewfinder

The frame line masks are still mechanical; only lit electronically.

 

Jeff

[sebben]

13 hours ago, SrMi said:

Thanks! Do you remember where it was mentioned (link)?

It’s in the German one i transcribed some of the main points in the other thread. 

[Adam Bonn]

M11 to M11-P probably won’t be an earth shattering set of upgrades.. the M10/P was maybe the biggest (touch screen and quiet shutter)

Maybe they’ll resurrect the sapphire LCD, and bump up the internal storage, this would add professional functionality (tougher, can shoot more with no SD card) and be more or less on par with the m9/p and 240/p upgrades

I’m not familiar  enough with the m11 to know if they’ve deleted anything from the previous models (level gauge maybe?) that might make a comeback (something Leica is quite good at, taking things away from previous standard models then putting back on for subsequent premium models)

[stefanusj]

Maestro IV processor, to improve the electronic shutter, maybe...

 

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[Photoworks]

3 hours ago, Adam Bonn said:

(level gauge maybe?)

We still have that..

I think they still need to implement few features in this camera. Bluetooth and Wifi are not totally integrated, GPS functionality, Fotos app.

I have been putting the M11 true my numerous tests, I have been enjoying it with the new Visoflex much more. 
I was already very happy with the images of the M10-R and apart from the user experience the images of the M11 are very similar. If you are looking for image quality you don't need an upgrade from M10-R

 

42 minutes ago, stefanusj said:

Maestro IV processor, to improve the electronic shutter, maybe...

they have not done a processor upgrade  in the past for a P, probably reserved to M12, what is probably ready in 5 years

a new sensor capable of quicker readout would be great, like the Nikon D9, but I am very happy in what we have here, the times that this becomes a problem are so minimal and on par with many high end cameras. This is coming from someone that works on movies and TV sets often and silent shutter is required.

 

Be happy with what you have. USE the camera to max !