M11 with a Noctilux in broad daylight without an ND filter... really?

[Stevejack]

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This link explains it pretty well - an animation showing how the subject is distorted due to rolling shutter

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Edited January 27, 2022 by Stevejack

[ymc226]

11 minutes ago, Stevejack said:

 

This link explains it pretty well - an animation showing how the subject is distorted due to rolling shutter

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Thank you very much Steve for the explanation. I get it now. 

[Stevejack]

19 minutes ago, Artin said:

Let’s face the fact that no one will be using a Leica M for sports or birds in flight with a noctilux wide open, so I would not be loosing sleep over it 

I agree, it would have been a complete waste on the M11, but as the tech matures I'm sure they'll include it on a future M. The long term goal of any e-shutter should be to exceed the limitations of existing mechanical shutters. 

[shirubadanieru]

By the way I'm shooting the Summilux wide open against the sun...and 1/4000 works just fine. It might be slightly overexposed, but you can always bring it down in post. If portraits / action it's best to do this than using the electronic shutter. For the Noctilux remake f1.2, it's just half a stop brighter than the summilux, so the same approach should work! For the 0.95, it might be best to use the electric shutter though. 

[Photoworks]

9 hours ago, Artin said:

Let’s face the fact that no one will be using a Leica M for sports or birds in flight with a noctilux wide open, so I would not be loosing sleep over it 

and if you do you still have a choice of ND filter.. 🤣

[justj]

10 hours ago, Artin said:

Let’s face the fact that no one will be using a Leica M for sports or birds in flight with a noctilux wide open, so I would not be loosing sleep over it 

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Sony A7R + Leica Noctilux 50mm F0.95 in the Al Wadi desert of Ras al-Khaimah 

Iso 50, 1/8000s, F0.95  time stamp  11:45:48

So the answer is yes to the OP's question.

Edited January 27, 2022 by justj

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One thing: Rolling shutter is nothing new, nor is it specific to an electronic shutter. A mechanical shutter can distort just as well. 

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3 hours ago, jaapv said:

One thing: Rolling shutter is nothing new, nor is it specific to an electronic shutter. A mechanical shutter can distort just as well. 

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I’m guessing Barnack had this issue too right?  

Edited January 28, 2022 by shirubadanieru

[lct]

Don't worry folks. Been using my old Sonys (A7s1, A7r2) and Leica CL 90% of the time in silent shutter (e-shutter) mode. Suffice it to switch on mechanical shutter for moving subject matters and artificial light as a precaution. According to good colleagues here e-shutter could be a good way to reduce blackout times on the Visoflex 2 too but i have no experience with it.

[digitalfx]

22 minutes ago, lct said:

Don't worry folks. Been using my old Sonys (A7s1, A7r2) and Leica CL 90% of the time in silent shutter (e-shutter) mode. Suffice it to switch on mechanical shutter for moving subject matters and artificial light as a precaution. According to good colleagues here e-shutter could be a good way to reduce blackout times on the Visoflex 2 too but i have no experience with it.

Blackout time w mech shutter is very short (fraction of a second), electronic shutter seems to have same blackout

[lct]

12 minutes ago, digitalfx said:

Blackout time w mech shutter is very short (fraction of a second), electronic shutter seems to have same blackout

Did you try to disable auto review?

[digitalfx]

1 hour ago, lct said:

Did you try to disable auto review?

I have auto review set to shutter release, so its basically the same as off unless I hold the shutter.

Just turned it off and it may be slightly faster, so hard to tell. It basically blacks out for the frame captured and then immediately comes back on. If you aren't paying attention you dont even notice it. Its nothing at all like previous M's

[digitalfx]

and electronic shutter feels a tad longer with Auto Review Off vs Mech shutter.

[Tailwagger]

On 1/27/2022 at 2:39 AM, shirubadanieru said:

By the way I'm shooting the Summilux wide open against the sun...and 1/4000 works just fine. It might be slightly overexposed, but you can always bring it down in post. If portraits / action it's best to do this than using the electronic shutter. For the Noctilux remake f1.2, it's just half a stop brighter than the summilux, so the same approach should work! For the 0.95, it might be best to use the electric shutter though. 

I've actually already hit 1/16000" with the 'lux wide open in a strongly back lit scene. Worked fine.  In two plus years with the SL2, never had a problem with any e-shutter oddities either. They can certainly be induced...which can actually be fun, but as long as one is aware of the limitations, much as with IBIS, it's can be useful. AFAIC, there's little reason not to engage hybrid as the normal shooting mode unless you're shooting action.