Any opinions on the S Summarit 35mm?

[Sailronin]

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Here's a 35mm Summarit-S shot from the weekend.  S(006) camera

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[HuntingSand]

vor 21 Minuten schrieb mgrayson3:

Sorry, not a portrait, but the best I have with the S 35.

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Beautiful. That arch goes on forever...

[Stuart Richardson]

I think it is a much better lens than the Q lens, though the Q lens is good. It is sharper in the edges, has an even more pleasing character and is overall just a great lens. But I don't hold that against the Q lens...the 35mm Summarit cost significantly more than the entire Q camera, and is around 4 or 5 times the size. If it were not better, that would be surprising.

I used this lens as a general wide angle, but it did find a lot of use in my streetlight project. The lack of distortion and really good edge to edge sharpness (especially when stopped down to 8 or 11) made it great for wide angles compositions. It has nice sun stars too.

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[ZHNL]

A few portraits I can find handy. I haven't seen a WA can have this type of corner that free of cat eyes at WO. (not shown in these samples)  Not to mention about the sharpness, transition and bokeh.  A truly Leica S show off it is. Samples are with S2 and S006.

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Edited January 26, 2022 by ZHNL

[HuntingSand]

Very nice samples, everyone, thank you very much.
At what point into your Leica S journey did you acquire this lens? For example, the 120 APO came first in my sequence of S glass acquisitions.

[mgrayson3]

I got the Contax 35 and 140 first. So first S was 70. Followed quickly by 35 and 120. Then 24, 45, 30-90, 100, and 180 over the years. 

[Sailronin]

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I began with the 70mm Summarit-S that came with the camera in 2015, then the 24mm (also 2015) followed by the 120 macro, then finally the 35mm in 2016. I sold the 24mm  after 18 months as it wasn't getting much use and my last (or latest) purchase was the T-S Apo-Elmar-S just a month ago. I have the same S(006) body, with a new sensor and love the files it produces.  I'll just keep using it until it dies beyond repair then think about either a replacement S or get an SL2 and adapter to use the wonderful S lenses.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Sailronin

[Jeff S]

David Farkas is a salesman, but this summary might nevertheless be useful.. 

https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2020/04/the-definitive-guide-to-leica-s-lenses/

Jeff

[HuntingSand]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb mgrayson3:

I got the Contax 35 and 140 first. So first S was 70. Followed quickly by 35 and 120. Then 24, 45, 30-90, 100, and 180 over the years. 

That's a pretty amazing collection of glass. A friend let me use his 30-90 not long ago, it was fine, but we never bonded.

[HuntingSand]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Sailronin:

I began with the 70mm Summarit-S that came with the camera in 2015, then the 24mm (also 2015) followed by the 120 macro, then finally the 35mm in 2016. I sold the 24mm  after 18 months as it wasn't getting much use and my last (or latest) purchase was the T-S Apo-Elmar-S just a month ago. I have the same S(006) body, with a new sensor and love the files it produces.  I'll just keep using it until it dies beyond repair then think about either a replacement S or get an SL2 and adapter to use the wonderful S lenses.

I used to own the M9 for many years, and the files from the 006 are quite similar (more DR, though, and somewhat smoother). We have similar goals in life I gather, namely, hanging on to that camera until it goes the way of all earthly possessions. Congratulations on the T-S lens, a rare and specialised beast, this one.

[Sailronin]

10 minutes ago, HuntingSand said:

I used to own the M9 for many years, and the files from the 006 are quite similar (more DR, though, and somewhat smoother). We have similar goals in life I gather, namely, hanging on to that camera until it goes the way of all earthly possessions. Congratulations on the T-S lens, a rare and specialised beast, this one.

I had an M9 for 8 years, just sold it last year and yes, the CCD sensors render lovely files. Since getting the T-S last month I've been tempted to get an SL2 or used S(007) to be able to have live view for better setting up of tilt/shift effects.  So far I'm holding off the temptation but it's difficult....

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by Sailronin

[Milan_S]

Amazing shots, thank you @ropo54and @mgrayson3 

[Cobram]

14 hours ago, jankap said:

The Q-lens is special, there is software behind it, I heard.

Yes indeed. Used to own Leica Q for two months and I was not at all marveled by its performance.

There is a HUGE amount of distortion that is software corrected and in fact affects resolution. Yes it is a nice combo but as a M-Summicron 28 owner and owner of a smartphone I concluded that Q's output is too similar to Smartphone's output hence I sent it back.

I'm not saying Q and its lens is a bad tool, on contrary I think it is a nice and easy entrance point in Leica world.

[setuporg]

On 1/25/2022 at 11:40 AM, HuntingSand said:

Thanks for this. From my experience, the 35 (=28mm in FF terms) would be much easier to work with than a "super-wide" like the 24 (=19mm in FF terms) you mention.

The 30 is almost the same as 35 except it's a 30.:). A bit longer and a bit slower.  The there's 45, and bit by bit you have all 9 AF lenses.  Then you add the T/S et voila!  The most amazing kit complete.  And after all the AF motors are updated, you take care of it for the next generation.

Edited January 31, 2022 by setuporg

[HuntingSand]

vor 17 Stunden schrieb setuporg:

The 30 is almost the same as 35 except it's a 30.:). A bit longer and a bit slower.  The there's 45, and bit by bit you have all 9 AF lenses.  Then you add the T/S et voila!  The most amazing kit complete.  And after all the AF motors are updated, you take care of it for the next generation.

Different cycles of planning with the S system than with, say, the M series.
Re the 45mm, I looked at it and was quite interested at one point, but it's a) too close to my Contax 55, and b) a BEAST of a lens.
Since you have all 9 lenses, how often do you use the 180mm, for example?

[helged]

19 minutes ago, HuntingSand said:

Different cycles of planning with the S system than with, say, the M series.
Re the 45mm, I looked at it and was quite interested at one point, but it's a) too close to my Contax 55, and b) a BEAST of a lens.
Since you have all 9 lenses, how often do you use the 180mm, for example?

Not being @setuporg, but having most of the S-lenses, my preferences (for my type of shooting) are: S35, S70, S120. Thereafter I use S100 and S180 most, with a preference for S180. And finally, I use S45 more often than S24. 

[setuporg]

I find myself using 70, 100 and 45 often when I pick up the S, not as often as before.

Then one of 30/35 for a wider but still reasonable angle.

120 for portraits.

24 and zoom are heavier.  For wide scenes or trips.

180 rarest of all — for kids sports.  And T/S a curiosity.

[HuntingSand]

Helged, and setuporg, thanks for mapping your inventory usage. The referenced scope of FL sort of mirrors mine, from 55 to 120. Adding the 35 would open things up considerably for me. 

[mgrayson3]

Random comments:

Software correction - I don't care if the optical system is pure glass or synthesized aperture. It's the results that count. Many lens makers use software correction to reduce other aberrations and make a more "perfect" lens. I don't care for that look. I like the Q lens. A wide angle large aperture macro is unusual enough and it's great for architecture and landscape as well.

Other S lenses - I go to extremes. My two lens system is a 24 and a 120. Lately, I've been playing with adapted 250mm and 350mm Zeiss lenses. They need a tripod even for focusing, so that's a more serious outing. On bad weather days, I take one lens and it's either the 35 or the 70. I love the 180, but seldom use it (go figure). I have the 45 and never use it - everyone raves about it so I think that some day I may see what they're talking about. I have the 100 and never use it. It's too hard to focus wide open and has a look different from the rest of the S line. I use the 120 instead.

Edited February 1, 2022 by mgrayson3

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[relms]

On 1/25/2022 at 6:01 PM, mgrayson3 said:

Sorry, not a portrait, but the best I have with the S 35.

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Simply amazing!  Looks like I need to get my S007 back out (if I can find it).

Edited February 1, 2022 by relms