danieldouloslee Posted January 22, 2022 Share #1 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey all, just posted this video on YouTube. Not sure if I am the unlucky one but I am coming across 2 specific issues with my M11. I have had a few friends (who purchased Black) mention the same regarding the slow Continuous Low FPS (it's basically 1-1.5 FPS, instead of the 3FPS) when shooting in Live View turned OFF. However, with LV turned on, it is fine. I much rather avoid having LV on, otherwise, I'd just shoot with my SL2. The video is also timestamped if you click "Show More". This issue is persistent with UHS II SD cards, shooting internally, etc. DNG only, JPG Only, DNG + JPG, etc. Secondly, while shooting in CL with LV off, the camera seems to over expose, whether with a slower shutter or a much higher ISO the negative. This happens randomly, but towards the third to fifth frame of you holding the shutter down. Could you give it a try yourself and let me know if we need to let Leica know of this issue? My worry, is that this is already Firmware 1.2, and I am not sure when a new release will be out to address these issues. If I am dumb, and there are ways to address this issue, please let me know. I rather be called stupid than have to send this to Wetzlar for repair, or worse, return it. Best, Daniel Edited January 22, 2022 by danieldouloslee 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 Hi danieldouloslee, Take a look here LEICA M11 ISSUES - Continuous Low shoots at 1-1.5FPS, and Random Overexposed Negatives. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
danieldouloslee Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share #2 Posted January 22, 2022 Please note, Hybrid, Mechanical Shutters seem to suffer the same issue. Electronic is fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onasj Posted January 22, 2022 Share #3 Posted January 22, 2022 My copy of the M11 (silver) does not have the CL mode LV screen off bug you report. In both CL and CH modes, with LV screen on or screen off, the shooting rate is the same and correct. I'm using a Pro-Grade 256 GB UHS-II card if it matters, shooting to the internal storage as backup. I do see occasionally see overexposed images but that seems to only come when I've recently moved the camera from bright to dark or vice-versa, so I suspect it's the AE that's slow to catch up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 22, 2022 Share #4 Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, danieldouloslee said: Please note, Hybrid, Mechanical Shutters seem to suffer the same issue. Electronic is fine. Is it the same when using internal memory only? JPG or DNG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 22, 2022 Share #5 Posted January 22, 2022 Im not sure I understand the issue...Shouldnt CL be slower than CH? Mine functions as I would expect it to...CL is about 1/2 the speed of CH Here are some notes from the manual: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328903-leica-m11-issues-continuous-low-shoots-at-1-15fps-and-random-overexposed-negatives/?do=findComment&comment=4365027'>More sharing options...
danieldouloslee Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, SrMi said: Is it the same when using internal memory only? JPG or DNG? Hi this is for any format-DNG, JPG, and DNG+JPG. 4 minutes ago, digitalfx said: Im not sure I understand the issue...Shouldnt CL be slower than CH? Mine functions as I would expect it to...CL is about 1/2 the speed of CH Here are some notes from the manual: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! it should be about 3FPS, not 1-1.5FPS. The issue is that my camera shoots 1-1.5 FPS on CL. Auto review is turned OFF Edited January 22, 2022 by danieldouloslee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 22, 2022 Share #7 Posted January 22, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 minutes ago, danieldouloslee said: it should be about 3FPS, not 1-1.5FPS. Where did you get that info? The manual only references the high speed at max. 4.5 fps, but it also says settings will effect speed. I dont see where the LOW setting is defined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 22, 2022 Share #8 Posted January 22, 2022 Have you tried shooting a sequence of images in CL of a digital stopwatch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danieldouloslee Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, digitalfx said: Where did you get that info? The manual only references the high speed at max. 4.5 fps, but it also says settings will effect speed. I dont see where the LOW setting is defined. Hey @digitalfx - I may not have it in writing on a manual, however of the 8 or so people I've consulted who has a M11 themselves, it appears half of them are facing similar issues. Small sample, yes, but I am here for that reason to see how widespread this issue is. PS, no need for a stopwatch, my video suffices in that regard. Have you been able to replicate my findings? Or have you been able to see a consistent FPS fire rate regardless of it having Live View On or Off in Continuous Low Mode? In addition, M10P, M10R, SL2 all have similar speeds at Continuous Low. My M11 is the anomaly out of the bunch, which it taking HALF the actuations. -EDIT- Leica Says Burst Mode Slow is 3FPS: https://leica-camera.com/en-US/photography/cameras/m/m11-black/technical-specs Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 22, 2022 by danieldouloslee 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328903-leica-m11-issues-continuous-low-shoots-at-1-15fps-and-random-overexposed-negatives/?do=findComment&comment=4365055'>More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 22, 2022 Share #10 Posted January 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, danieldouloslee said: Have you been able to replicate my findings? Or have you been able to see a consistent FPS fire rate regardless of it having Live View On or Off in Continuous Low Mode? Sorry I see the specs now in the promotional materials. Yes, my camera records the same speed in both LV on and off...roughly 3.5-4 images. That being said, its sounds like its only capturing one frame per second...but when I shoot a stopwatch and look at the images I see I have up to 4 images per second Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23, 2022 Share #11 Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) I cannot replicate the overexposure. When set to Continuous Low, I can see slower FPS with LV turned off than with LV turned on . Continuous High works correctly (no difference LV on/off). Since Continuous High is already slow, I did not plan to use Continuous Low anyway :). It looks like a software bug to me. Edited January 23, 2022 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 23, 2022 Share #12 Posted January 23, 2022 are you sure the sound of the shutter isnt fooling you? Record a sequence of your phone in stopwatch mode and count the frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted January 23, 2022 Share #13 Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) I notice both behavior and be bothered more that I can’t lock exposure by half press shutter. I believe it is the same issue you saw for overexposure. leica should let me test the camera. In a short use around 2 days, I have seen so many minor issue They shouldn’t let their users/customers be beta testers. Edited January 23, 2022 by ZHNL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23, 2022 Share #14 Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, digitalfx said: are you sure the sound of the shutter isnt fooling you? Record a sequence of your phone in stopwatch mode and count the frames. Using a stopwatch running on the iPad, I look at the times in the images. Continuous Low: one fps without LV, three fps with LV (mechanical shutter). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted January 23, 2022 Share #15 Posted January 23, 2022 But the real drawback is that drag shutter sound. I will not use CL just for the sound. For any M, I use only single shot always. M11 just reinforce that idea:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23, 2022 Share #16 Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, ZHNL said: But the real drawback is that drag shutter sound. I will not use CL just for the sound. For any M, I use only single shot always. M11 just reinforce that idea:) CL is 3 fps, CH is 4.5 fps. CL should be half of CH, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danieldouloslee Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share #17 Posted January 23, 2022 I suppose but use cases vary by user. I have young children and thus benefit from CL. CH is a bit much for my needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 23, 2022 Share #18 Posted January 23, 2022 I can replicate the behavior - but only if auto review is off not if is set to 3 sec. Certainly a bug. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 23, 2022 Share #19 Posted January 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, elmars said: I can replicate the behavior - but only if auto review is off not if is set to 3 sec. Certainly a bug. Exactly the same for me. How bizzarre. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 23, 2022 Share #20 Posted January 23, 2022 Another little bug: I have exposure compensation on the click wheel (used as a function button, so You have to click on the wheel to use the function!!!). If You set a compensation in LV mode, You have to click, turn the wheel to the amount wanted and then You can press the shutter release to take a photo with the chosen compensation. Same procedure if You do it in the quick menu. But not so if You set the compensation by click wheel and LV off: Then You have to confirm the compensation by a second click on the wheel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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