TTArtisan 28mm f5.6

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Well the two lenses showed up today, here's some down and dirty iPhone snaps of them on the 10-R......I think the Black TT was worth the wait over the earlier silver version especially so if your M is in Black too. Most likely I will be trading in my 28/5.6 Summaron for something that'll see more use soon. The Heliar also looks good as well, I like that focal length and also the size of both of these lenses, they feel solid and well built mechanically. Focus and iris control on both are excellent. The TT is still stupid-cheap, it's a "no-brainer".

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[Huss]

5 hours ago, petermullett said:

Well the two lenses showed up today, here's some down and dirty iPhone snaps of them on the 10-R......I think the Black TT was worth the wait over the earlier silver version especially so if your M is in Black too. Most likely I will be trading in my 28/5.6 Summaron for something that'll see more use soon. The Heliar also looks good as well, I like that focal length and also the size of both of these lenses, they feel solid and well built mechanically. Focus and iris control on both are excellent. The TT is still stupid-cheap, it's a "no-brainer".

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Nice!  Already have the CV 40 2.8, my TTA should be arriving Wednesday.  Will be selling my Orion 15 28 f6 to make room for it.

[egrossman]

On 6/24/2022 at 2:36 PM, pippy said:

Sorry to hear that the copy you received was a dud.

Just out of curiosity, Erik, would you mind sharing the serial number if you know what it was? Exclude the last couple of digits if this will make you feel more comfortable.

I ask because (as has been written and commented upon several times in this thread) there does seem to be a very marked difference in performance between the early lenses and those which came about later on with the early-release examples being especially susceptible to veiling flare in particular. In contrast (no pun intended) owners of later lenses don't seem to have encountered this phenomenon.

On the plus side I'm sure you will be delighted with the in-coming Summaron. Hopefully the weather in London will be kind to you during your visit!

Philip.

Philip

It turns out I did take a picture of the lens before returning it (completely forgot). Here is the serial number. 
 

Erik

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[pippy]

27 minutes ago, egrossman said:

Philip...It turns out I did take a picture of the lens before returning it (completely forgot). Here is the serial number...Erik

Hi, Erik, and thanks for taking the trouble to find the image.

Well that's odd; it's considerably newer than mine so my 'slight suspicion' about it being possibly an early one was wrong. Strange that the silver one was a dud but I'm very happy to read that the new arrivals are performing as they should. Have fun with them both!

Philip.

[egrossman]

Don’t know how that video of my daughter jumping on the bed ended up getting attached. I think I need another cup of coffee LOL.

Erik

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by egrossman

[egrossman]

@pippyI suspect it was a dud from the factory and hence the return (I bought it used from B&H). I’ve moved on! I have the 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH v2 arriving today and will buy the 28mm Summaron while in London. Given that it’s apparently no longer possible to claim VAT back at the airport since the UK left the EU, I’ll have to pay for the lens ex-VAT and have Red Dot Camera post it to my home address.

Erik

[Huss]

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So my black TTA came in.  First impression - surprisingly heavy/dense given the tiny size.  Black paint finish is matte and very dry feeling to the touch.

And like every other freakin TTA or 7A lens I've owned, it focuses past infinity on the hard stop.  Very disappointing - tried it on 8 different M bodies...

Even my Orion 15 28mm f6 (super lens!) focuses correctly at the hard stop!

Checking focus with the 10-R, the focus is correct and accurate, so there is nothing for me to adjust to get infinity in focus on the hard stop, as that would knock off the calibration.

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30 minutes ago, Huss said:

So my black TTA came in.  First impression - surprisingly heavy/dense given the tiny size.  Black paint finish is matte and very dry feeling to the touch.

And like every other freakin TTA or 7A lens I've owned, it focuses past infinity on the hard stop.  Very disappointing - tried it on 8 different M bodies...

Even my Orion 15 28mm f6 (super lens!) focuses correctly at the hard stop!

Checking focus with the 10-R, the focus is correct and accurate, so there is nothing for me to adjust to get infinity in focus on the hard stop, as that would knock off the calibration.

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Adjust it anyway. There's so much DOF at f/5.6 on 28mm, there's no way to perfectly evaluate if it's hitting focus or not, even on the M10-R.

[Capuccino-Muffin]

Just get the real thing.

My life has gotten so much better ever since I ditched my old philosophies and adopted new ones. There is no savings in buying cheap.

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Just checked my recently purchased TT 28 for focus accuracy at infinity and at close distances with tape measure/lens markings rather than with LV. It’s accurate at all distances without having tweaked it with the included focus tools. I also compared it with the 28 Summaron that I still have, ( at least for the next 24hrs anyway ), and found no difference between them in that respect.

The Leica Summaron 28 f5.6 is a great lens, no doubt about that, but for the use I have made of it I judged it expedient to trade It against other lenses that I would like to have, ( 35/50 Summicrons ), and have the TTA to step in and fill a little used gap in my M lens arsenal. The TTA’s cost and build has made that decision easier.

[Matlock]

1 hour ago, petermullett said:

Just checked my recently purchased TT 28 for focus accuracy at infinity and at close distances with tape measure/lens markings rather than with LV. It’s accurate at all distances without having tweaked it with the included focus tools. I also compared it with the 28 Summaron that I still have, ( at least for the next 24hrs anyway ), and found no difference between them in that respect.

The Leica Summaron 28 f5.6 is a great lens, no doubt about that, but for the use I have made of it I judged it expedient to trade It against other lenses that I would like to have, ( 35/50 Summicrons ), and have the TTA to step in and fill a little used gap in my M lens arsenal. The TTA’s cost and build has made that decision easier.

Mine is spot on too. There is an interesting comparison article in the latest LHSA Viewfinder. 

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4 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

Just get the real thing.

My life has gotten so much better ever since I ditched my old philosophies and adopted new ones. There is no savings in buying cheap.

Sure, we're in Leica Land and there's a steep price of admission, but now and again you can get in under a fence.............

[Huss]

1 hour ago, Matlock said:

Mine is spot on too. There is an interesting comparison article in the latest LHSA Viewfinder. 

When your lens is at the infinity hard stop, is the rf image in the vf correctly aligned?

[Huss]

5 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

Just get the real thing.

My life has gotten so much better ever since I ditched my old philosophies and adopted new ones. There is no savings in buying cheap.

I already have the real thing, the incredible Orion 15 28mm f6.

[Matlock]

15 minutes ago, Huss said:

When your lens is at the infinity hard stop, is the rf image in the vf correctly aligned?

Yes, spot on.

[egrossman]

5 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

Just get the real thing.

My life has gotten so much better ever since I ditched my old philosophies and adopted new ones. There is no savings in buying cheap.

Now if only I could afford the black 28mm Summmaron... 😞

Erik

[Ouroboros]

On 6/25/2022 at 12:52 AM, Huss said:

I'll oblige.  Here are the 28mm frame lines on my 10r taken with my iphone.  This is using my Summicron 28 Asph v2, which is much smaller than the Summilux 28.

As you can see, the vf blockage is significant.

 

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Just for balance, this is my 28mm summicron safari with sliding hood on my M10-R bp.  Vf blockage is negligible when the camera is level at the eye, unlike my previous v1 28mm summicron asph with it's absurd plastic hood.  The sliding hood and the colour of course, was a major reason for buying the 28mm summicron safari.  The new matt black 28mm summicron asph with sliding hood is another option.

I agree the CV 28mm color-skopar f3.5 is an excellent little lens.  I had one for years until i bought the 28mm summaron-m which rendered the CS redundant as a smaller option to my 28mm summicron asph.

 

[Capuccino-Muffin]

48 minutes ago, Huss said:

I already have the real thing, the incredible Orion 15 28mm f6.

Therefore you’re only losing time, energy, efforts and money on adding cheap stufferino.

[Huss]

3 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

Therefore you’re only losing time, energy, efforts and money on adding cheap stufferino.

I also have Leica lenses.  I'm not seeing any loss of time, energy, efforts and money when I pick and choose what I want.

You are spending an awful lot of time and energy being concerned with what other people do.  Why is that?

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[Huss]

Alright.  Just tested it on my M10-R.  All pics apart from the VW were at 5.6 because I wanted to see it at it's 'weakest'.  I think the VW was at f8. All at ISO 100 apart from the inside garage shot which was at 6400.

I think it gives a really nice look but at 5.6 smears at the edges.  This seems to go away by f8.  It will be interesting to see if it does this on film as well.  I'll be getting that back in a few days.
I have a Summicron 28 v2 if I want 'perfect' so this does not bother me at all.  Also have the CV 28 3.5 if I want almost perfect...Oh and the Orion 15 if I want similar to the TTA, but with fiddly aperture setting!

With the lens hood attached it is difficult to change the aperture as there is hardly any space in there.  But I think I'm planning on using that never, because it doubles the size of the lens!  Interestingly though, the style is very similar to the new CV 40 2.8, but the TTA lens scores in the haptics as the aperture ring stays put when you focus, while on the CV it irritatingly moves with focus.

 

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