Guest Posted June 29, 2022 Share #361 Posted June 29, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I already have the Summaron 28/5.6, I did play with the idea of buying the TTArtisan's 28/f5.6 last year because it's price was so stupidly inexpensive but I was put off a bit by the fact that it too was silver/chrome metal like the Summaron so it seemed pointless to have two lenses essentially looking the same as well as performing quite similarly too.......But then this week my dealer in the EU said that they'd just received the TT 28/5.6 in Black, did I want it?............It's on it's way to me now, ( with a Heliar 40mm/2.8 too ), probably rolling in just after the weekend. It's going to be interesting to see which of the two I will use the most. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NigelG Posted June 29, 2022 Share #362 Posted June 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, petermullett said: I already have the Summaron 28/5.6, I did play with the idea of buying the TTArtisan's 28/f5.6 last year because it's price was so stupidly inexpensive but I was put off a bit by the fact that it too was silver/chrome metal like the Summaron so it seemed pointless to have two lenses essentially looking the same as well as performing quite similarly too.......But then this week my dealer in the EU said that they'd just received the TT 28/5.6 in Black, did I want it?............It's on it's way to me now, ( with a Heliar 40mm/2.8 too ), probably rolling in just after the weekend. It's going to be interesting to see which of the two I will use the most. Well they are so cheap I ended up buying 2 silver ones - one on my M9M and the other in the bag when I'm out with a colour body. Interested to see more reviews of the Heliar... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 29, 2022 Share #363 Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, jdlaing said: Summicron collapsible 50 is also a great choice. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thank you! But I don't think is that pancake as I want. Maybe this one, it's somewhere between my Summicron v5 and a pancake... Who knows! 1 hour ago, petermullett said: But then this week my dealer in the EU said that they'd just received the TT 28/5.6 in Black, did I want it?............It's on it's way to me now, ( with a Heliar 40mm/2.8 too ), probably rolling in just after the weekend. It's going to be interesting to see which of the two I will use the most. Congrats! 28+40 are actually a great combo! Post some snaps (of the gear as well 🙂), that would be great. did you get the Heliar w/ 35 or 50 frame lines? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2022 Share #364 Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dennis said: Congrats! 28+40 are actually a great combo! Post some snaps (of the gear as well 🙂), that would be great. did you get the Heliar w/ 35 or 50 frame lines? Hello Dennis, I got the Heliar Black Paint M-mount version, so that'll bring up the 50mm frame-lines, same as the 40mm 1.4 Nokton that I have had for a long time and is one of my favorite lenses. I'm also not concerned about not being able to use 6 bit coding with the M/Black version either.....I do however have a 40mm clip-on finder, but it's rarely mounted/used. I prefer to use the 50mm frame because that way even if my subject is tight within those lines I know I have the image with space around it to play with, I feel there's more guesswork if you choose to go the 35mm frame-line route.......I have never considered the frame lines in an M to be anymore than a rough guideline to what will land up on your film/sensor anyway, it's never going to give you the SLR/DSLR/mirrorless VF image accuracy and I've never used it with that expectation.......Wiggle-room is good, hence the 50mm VF lines choice. Edited June 29, 2022 by petermullett Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 30, 2022 Share #365 Posted June 30, 2022 10 hours ago, petermullett said: ...I prefer to use the 50mm frame because that way even if my subject is tight within those lines I know I have the image with space around it to play with......Wiggle-room is good, hence the 50mm VF lines choice... This viewpoint echoes my own thoughts as far as my 40 Nokton is concerned. The framelines in my MD seem to be slightly more accurate than those of the M Monochrom. Might that be down to them being created electronically rather than optically as per the traditional way used on M cameras from the days of the M3 up to the introduction of the M240? As far as the TTA goes; I was out using it on the Monochrom the other day and am still amazed by its superb performance. I don't know if I just got a 'Good One' but, from what I'm seeing, it's every bit as sharp as my Elmarit ASPH. Snap of the 'S.S. Robin'; the last surviving Tramp-Steamer on the planet. There were/are(?) plans to open it up as a visitor's attraction but COVID put everything on hold; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4462405'>More sharing options...
Huss Posted June 30, 2022 Share #366 Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 9:31 AM, Dennis said: Thank you, I'll check it out! I don't know nothing about this lens. Is it an Elmar-M, right? Yes, Elmar-M https://www.camerawest.com/used/leica-50mm-f2-8-elmar-m-black-3782105 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaS2 Posted July 2, 2022 Share #367 Posted July 2, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Posted Wednesday at 01:51 PM I already have the Summaron 28/5.6, I did play with the idea of buying the TTArtisan's 28/f5.6 last year because it's price was so stupidly inexpensive but I was put off a bit by the fact that it too was silver/chrome metal like the Summaron so it seemed pointless to have two lenses essentially looking the same as well as performing quite similarly too.......But then this week my dealer in the EU said that they'd just received the TT 28/5.6 in Black, did I want it?............It's on it's way to me now, Peter, Same situation here with a silver, I always wanted a black Summaron. The black TT is a substitute. And I will use both depending on the camera. In my fast testing, the difference is invisible to me. But the feel is different. The TT goes on my M10M. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4463426'>More sharing options...
Huss Posted July 2, 2022 Share #368 Posted July 2, 2022 14 hours ago, LeicaS2 said: Posted Wednesday at 01:51 PM I already have the Summaron 28/5.6, I did play with the idea of buying the TTArtisan's 28/f5.6 last year because it's price was so stupidly inexpensive but I was put off a bit by the fact that it too was silver/chrome metal like the Summaron so it seemed pointless to have two lenses essentially looking the same as well as performing quite similarly too.......But then this week my dealer in the EU said that they'd just received the TT 28/5.6 in Black, did I want it?............It's on it's way to me now, Peter, Same situation here with a silver, I always wanted a black Summaron. The black TT is a substitute. And I will use both depending on the camera. In my fast testing, the difference is invisible to me. But the feel is different. The TT goes on my M10M. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lovely, I'm waiting for my black TTA to show up. Originally I was interested in the silver but then saw a pic of the limited edition black Summaron. Wow. It made me hold out in the hope that TTA would make a black one - and they have! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2022 Share #369 Posted July 4, 2022 Well the two lenses showed up today, here's some down and dirty iPhone snaps of them on the 10-R......I think the Black TT was worth the wait over the earlier silver version especially so if your M is in Black too. Most likely I will be trading in my 28/5.6 Summaron for something that'll see more use soon. The Heliar also looks good as well, I like that focal length and also the size of both of these lenses, they feel solid and well built mechanically. Focus and iris control on both are excellent. The TT is still stupid-cheap, it's a "no-brainer". Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4464941'>More sharing options...
Huss Posted July 4, 2022 Share #370 Posted July 4, 2022 5 hours ago, petermullett said: Well the two lenses showed up today, here's some down and dirty iPhone snaps of them on the 10-R......I think the Black TT was worth the wait over the earlier silver version especially so if your M is in Black too. Most likely I will be trading in my 28/5.6 Summaron for something that'll see more use soon. The Heliar also looks good as well, I like that focal length and also the size of both of these lenses, they feel solid and well built mechanically. Focus and iris control on both are excellent. The TT is still stupid-cheap, it's a "no-brainer". Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nice! Already have the CV 40 2.8, my TTA should be arriving Wednesday. Will be selling my Orion 15 28 f6 to make room for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted July 5, 2022 Share #371 Posted July 5, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 2:36 PM, pippy said: Sorry to hear that the copy you received was a dud. Just out of curiosity, Erik, would you mind sharing the serial number if you know what it was? Exclude the last couple of digits if this will make you feel more comfortable. I ask because (as has been written and commented upon several times in this thread) there does seem to be a very marked difference in performance between the early lenses and those which came about later on with the early-release examples being especially susceptible to veiling flare in particular. In contrast (no pun intended) owners of later lenses don't seem to have encountered this phenomenon. On the plus side I'm sure you will be delighted with the in-coming Summaron. Hopefully the weather in London will be kind to you during your visit! Philip. Philip It turns out I did take a picture of the lens before returning it (completely forgot). Here is the serial number. Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! IMG_3055.MOV 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! IMG_3055.MOV ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4465714'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 5, 2022 Share #372 Posted July 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, egrossman said: Philip...It turns out I did take a picture of the lens before returning it (completely forgot). Here is the serial number...Erik Hi, Erik, and thanks for taking the trouble to find the image. Well that's odd; it's considerably newer than mine so my 'slight suspicion' about it being possibly an early one was wrong. Strange that the silver one was a dud but I'm very happy to read that the new arrivals are performing as they should. Have fun with them both! Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted July 5, 2022 Share #373 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Don’t know how that video of my daughter jumping on the bed ended up getting attached. I think I need another cup of coffee LOL. Erik Edited July 5, 2022 by egrossman 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted July 5, 2022 Share #374 Posted July 5, 2022 @pippyI suspect it was a dud from the factory and hence the return (I bought it used from B&H). I’ve moved on! I have the 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH v2 arriving today and will buy the 28mm Summaron while in London. Given that it’s apparently no longer possible to claim VAT back at the airport since the UK left the EU, I’ll have to pay for the lens ex-VAT and have Red Dot Camera post it to my home address. Erik 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted July 6, 2022 Share #375 Posted July 6, 2022 So my black TTA came in. First impression - surprisingly heavy/dense given the tiny size. Black paint finish is matte and very dry feeling to the touch. And like every other freakin TTA or 7A lens I've owned, it focuses past infinity on the hard stop. Very disappointing - tried it on 8 different M bodies... Even my Orion 15 28mm f6 (super lens!) focuses correctly at the hard stop! Checking focus with the 10-R, the focus is correct and accurate, so there is nothing for me to adjust to get infinity in focus on the hard stop, as that would knock off the calibration. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/326776-ttartisan-28mm-f56/?do=findComment&comment=4465947'>More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted July 6, 2022 Share #376 Posted July 6, 2022 30 minutes ago, Huss said: So my black TTA came in. First impression - surprisingly heavy/dense given the tiny size. Black paint finish is matte and very dry feeling to the touch. And like every other freakin TTA or 7A lens I've owned, it focuses past infinity on the hard stop. Very disappointing - tried it on 8 different M bodies... Even my Orion 15 28mm f6 (super lens!) focuses correctly at the hard stop! Checking focus with the 10-R, the focus is correct and accurate, so there is nothing for me to adjust to get infinity in focus on the hard stop, as that would knock off the calibration. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Adjust it anyway. There's so much DOF at f/5.6 on 28mm, there's no way to perfectly evaluate if it's hitting focus or not, even on the M10-R. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted July 6, 2022 Share #377 Posted July 6, 2022 Just get the real thing. My life has gotten so much better ever since I ditched my old philosophies and adopted new ones. There is no savings in buying cheap. 3 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2022 Share #378 Posted July 6, 2022 Just checked my recently purchased TT 28 for focus accuracy at infinity and at close distances with tape measure/lens markings rather than with LV. It’s accurate at all distances without having tweaked it with the included focus tools. I also compared it with the 28 Summaron that I still have, ( at least for the next 24hrs anyway ), and found no difference between them in that respect. The Leica Summaron 28 f5.6 is a great lens, no doubt about that, but for the use I have made of it I judged it expedient to trade It against other lenses that I would like to have, ( 35/50 Summicrons ), and have the TTA to step in and fill a little used gap in my M lens arsenal. The TTA’s cost and build has made that decision easier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted July 6, 2022 Share #379 Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, petermullett said: Just checked my recently purchased TT 28 for focus accuracy at infinity and at close distances with tape measure/lens markings rather than with LV. It’s accurate at all distances without having tweaked it with the included focus tools. I also compared it with the 28 Summaron that I still have, ( at least for the next 24hrs anyway ), and found no difference between them in that respect. The Leica Summaron 28 f5.6 is a great lens, no doubt about that, but for the use I have made of it I judged it expedient to trade It against other lenses that I would like to have, ( 35/50 Summicrons ), and have the TTA to step in and fill a little used gap in my M lens arsenal. The TTA’s cost and build has made that decision easier. Mine is spot on too. There is an interesting comparison article in the latest LHSA Viewfinder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2022 Share #380 Posted July 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: Just get the real thing. My life has gotten so much better ever since I ditched my old philosophies and adopted new ones. There is no savings in buying cheap. Sure, we're in Leica Land and there's a steep price of admission, but now and again you can get in under a fence............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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