TTArtisan 28mm f5.6

[NigelG]

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I think it’s only because my M9M finder is a bit off compared to my others…I don’t think it’s a lens issue.

I’ve been meaning to send the M9M to DAG with my black 50 Lux ASPH to get the RF readjusted to suit as that lens is perfect on my other bodies but needs the “slippy” aperture ring tightening to match the feel of my silver chrome version…

In the meantime I can employ the supplied little screwdriver…

 

 

[agfa100]

I ordered mine on the 17th and it left China on the 19th will see how long it takes. I have also added the 7Artisans 28mm f 1.4 "fe plus" version and the 75mm f 1.25 so far I am very happy with the results I have gotten from both of them. Both of those are on the larger size and I use them on my Sigma fp as they remind me more of a L glass in size then a nice compact M lens. My other 28 mm lens is a Elmarit so these 28mm lenses are one too big, one too small and one just right. So far I really like the 1.4 and use it more often wide open, time will tell which one gets used the most.

[pippy]

14 hours ago, NigelG said:

I think it’s only because my M9M finder is a bit off compared to my others…I don’t think it’s a lens issue......In the meantime I can employ the supplied little screwdriver…

Would you not be better served by taking a wee Allen Key to the R/F cam of your M Monochrome, Nigel? If it's the body and not the lens which is out surely it would make more sense? It's adjustment also involves a LOT less faffing-around!...

Philip.

[NigelG]

I’ve tried but it’s not the simple infinity adjustment of the cam roller but a more complex interaction involving bending the arm/adjusting the stop point I think.
The lens adjustment via the 3 screws is simpler until I get the camera to DAG…but I’ll test it a bit more first to see how “off” it is in proper use before adjusting it.

[pippy]

16 hours ago, NigelG said:

I’ve tried but it’s not the simple infinity adjustment of the cam roller but a more complex interaction involving bending the arm/adjusting the stop point I think.
The lens adjustment via the 3 screws is simpler until I get the camera to DAG…but I’ll test it a bit more first to see how “off” it is in proper use before adjusting it.

If you manage an update I would be interested to know how the situation was resolved.

On a completely different matter if I may? The TTA has, as we know, a 37mm filter thread. Do you (or anyone else!), by the slightest chance, have an A36 cinch-clip filter to hand in order to check whether there is enough play - in seating terms - to enable these to work with these lenses instead? I don't mind buying a few more filters and the front rim of the TTA looks to be quite thick but I have this strangely quaint 'Three Filters in One' thing which I'd quite like to use for a bit of fun if possible. It was also Made in Scotland which is rather unusual;

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Edited January 26, 2022 by pippy

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On 12/13/2021 at 4:59 PM, pippy said:

I will look forward to reading your comments once you have had the chance to carry out some useful comparison images. I don't really care too much about whether or not it performs the same, better or worse than the Leica original; in terms of rendering I like a very broad spectrum of different lens 'signatures' from the clinical to the, erm, 'characterful' so regardless of how it draws I'm sure it will find its proper place.

Yes; good news about the hood being included in the price! As far as finish goes; from a purely personal perspective the silver-chrome will suit me fine as I will be using it primarily with a silver-chrome Monochrom but I can understand that black-chrome would have been an extremely popular option. Perhaps they will bring one out if the demand proves to be there?

It will be very interesting to see when we and our fellow forumites start to receive their lenses!

Philip.

So Philip, I read that your TTA 28mm 5.6 is on it's way and you'll get it soon, hopefully..............Mine was still on order as of late last week from a EU supplier, but I gave up on it and switched that order to the Voigtlander Ultron 28mm f2 which I received in hand after a few days and I am really happy to have made that 28mm switch because the VC is a superb lens indeed. After a lot of testing I liked it so much that I've sold/traded in my little used Summicron 28mm f2 that I rarely used if only because of it's size and therefore VF blockage, nothing wrong with the Summicron at all other than the size, but the VC is it's equal optically and mechanically and has nearly zero VF blockage. It's a very sweet 28mm on a M body.

I will not regret the cancellation of the TTA 28mm, I do after all still have the Summaron 28, but at the same time I love how these non-Leica lens manufacturers are shaking up the market and giving M users a wealth of affordable, good, options now, that's great news in my book.

Cheers......

Edited January 26, 2022 by petermullett

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1 minute ago, petermullett said:

...I will not regret the cancellation of the TTA 28mm, I do after all the the Summaron...

I can understand your viewpoint completely. Having the Summaron already the TTA would, in effect, have been a bit surplus to requirements in any case unless it rendered in a way very differently to the Leica 'original' and as such would probably spend much of its life back at base. I've read some wonderful reviews concerning the v2 Ultron so do appreciate why you are so content with your lens.

As it happens I already have the 28mm f2 Voigtlander Ultron v1 (which is still a superb performer IMO) as well as a 28mm f2.8 Elmarit ASPH so, for me, the TTA will not really be a close 'duplicate' of either of my existing 28s and might bring something else to the party.

As far as my own TTA goes the latest info I have is..."United Kingdom--Parcel departure in Sorting Centre."...but I have absolutely no idea what that really means!...

Not sure where in the SW of France you are but if you are ever anywhere near La Rochelle during any of the school holidays and fancy trying the TTA......once it finally arrives......

Philip.

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36 minutes ago, pippy said:

I can understand your viewpoint completely. Having the Summaron already the TTA would, in effect, have been a bit surplus to requirements in any case unless it rendered in a way very differently to the Leica 'original' and as such would probably spend much of its life back at base. I've read some wonderful reviews concerning the v2 Ultron so do appreciate why you are so content with your lens.

As it happens I already have the 28mm f2 Voigtlander Ultron v1 (which is still a superb performer IMO) as well as a 28mm f2.8 Elmarit ASPH so, for me, the TTA will not really be a close 'duplicate' of either of my existing 28s and might bring something else to the party.

As far as my own TTA goes the latest info I have is..."United Kingdom--Parcel departure in Sorting Centre."...but I have absolutely no idea what that really means!...

Not sure where in the SW of France you are but if you are ever anywhere near La Rochelle during any of the school holidays and fancy trying the TTA......once it finally arrives......

Philip.

Thanks Philip, we have about the same "28mm stable"!

I too have the 28 Elmarit and it is one of the best M lenses ever as far as I'm concerned, it's a brilliant in all respects. But now with the Ultron, the Summaron and the Elmarit I guess I'm covered for what is my favourite focal length on an M, ( I discount the 'Lux's and the other "fast" choices out there.......they're all too big on a M for me, clumsy too ). I might have stuck with the TTA 28mm order, but it was dragging on too long, so I lost patience and switched the order but it would have been interesting to compare and at that price it's a good "knock about " lens that I probably would have had bolted on my "knock-about" camera, a Bessa 4.

The Summicron was traded this week together with my Q 116 for a new Q2M, adding it's contribution to my 28mm obsession quite nicely I hope. The Q2M however is presently "stuck in transit", a mire that seems to be effecting a lot of deliveries these past couple of weeks. A Nikon Scanner, shipping from Liverpool UK, took 21 days for Fedex to deliver yesterday, arriving "out of the blue" just before I filed a "lost" claim.

PS. I'm in the Aveyron, some way from La Rochelle I'm afraid, and anyway it looks like I will have to return to the US for some work "stuff" during that time, but thanks for the offer!

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Edited January 26, 2022 by petermullett

[NigelG]

Re the filter size I’m not sure.

I don’t have any 37mm filters but was thinking of a 37-39 step-up. Depending on vignetting that would allow the use of the the little silver 50 Elmar hood and cap which I use on my silver 90MEM as well as 39mm filters, but looking at the supplied hood it might induce too much vignetting.

Some basic testing yesterday shows I can probably get away without adjusting the lens for how I’m going to use it...

[pippy]

1 hour ago, petermullett said:

...we have about the same "28mm stable"!...I discount the 'Lux's and the other "fast" choices out there...they're all too big on a M for me...

Yup. After buying the Elmarit I find that even the Ultron is a bit big for my taste - yet it's hardly a big lens - and I discovered f2.8 is fast enough for the way I use a 28.

46 minutes ago, NigelG said:

Re the filter size I’m not sure.....I don’t have any 37mm filters but was thinking of a 37-39 step-up. Depending on vignetting that would allow the use of the the little silver 50 Elmar hood and cap which I use on my silver 90MEM as well as 39mm filters, but looking at the supplied hood it might induce too much vignetting...

Glad to read that it should work fine just as it is, Nigel.

As far as the vignetting goes - and the filter-group pictured in post #172 - I was wondering whether the fact that the front element has a fair bit of 'space' between the edge of the element and the rim-edge would mean that vignetting might not be an issue so that the services of the proprietary hood - which is rather huge! - might be avoided?

I, too, was contemplating a 37-39 step-up as I have a number of 39 filters which would be a simpler solution for me than buying a new raft of 37's...

Philip.

Edited January 26, 2022 by pippy

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On 12/9/2021 at 3:04 AM, anickpick said:

A few things one might want to consider:

The Leica Summaron is absolutely brilliant in Contre-jour situations. It is one of the main reasons to own this lens imo.
According to Mr. Osborne the TTArtisan lens flares horribly when shot against the light.

The published MTF curves for the TTArtisan lens end at 13-14 (mm?). That seems odd.

 

 

The lens flare is a huge deal for me, and Mr Leica ably demonstrates in his video how it completely ruins a shot.  I like to shoot in all sorts of conditions, not just with the sun at my back and unfortunately the TTA 28mm 5.6 fails miserably here.

Of note  - I am not a Leica snob wanting this lens to fail.. - I shoot with lots of lenses.  But even my Orion 15 handles flare much better than the TTA, and that lens is so basic and maybe 50 years old!  My other regular 28mm lenses - the Leica Elmarit, and CV 28 3.5 - are just superb with flare.  And pretty much everything else.  The CV 28 3.5 is actually smaller than the TTA 28 5.6!  Which is incredible really, given that for me it performs in a different league.

I also have the 7A 50 1.1, the 28 1.4 and have had the 35 f2.  Some claim that the TTA are 'different' than the 7A lenses, but this seems to be purely a marketing gimmick to me to make them seem more up market, as for better or for worse the 7A lenses now have a reputation as budget stuff.  The clue is the TTA (made in the same factory) suffer from the same faults of focusing way past infinity at the hard stop, but have the same RF adjustment mechanism on the lens mount.  Which allows you to adjust the accuracy of the focus patch, but will not bring the lens back from past infinity.

Perhaps for some focusing past the hard stop at infinity doesn't matter - but it will if you are using the DOF scales for zone focus because it means they are not accurate.  I've let it slide with mine as I've accepted the compromise of the RF patch showing correct focus (which is the number 1 thing for me), versus an accurate hard stop.  But I'm done now and will no longer buy 7A/TTA lenses until they themselves fix that issue as it now grates on me.

I've kept the 7A 28 1.4 because I use it when I need that 1.4 as I am primarily a film shooter.  Rest of the time I'll be using one of my other 28mm lenses which are much more pleasant and compact.  I've kept the 50 1.1 because this really is a unique lens in the way it draws at 1.1 through 2.0.  There is nothing else like it, plus this lens is dirt cheap used ($200).  But again, if I'm am not going to use those apertures then I'll pick my Summilux, Summicrons, Planar etc.

Anyway, the TTA 28 5.6 is a hard pass for me because of the lens flare, and the tiresome focusing past infinity at the hard stop.  Not because of the origin of manufacture.

[pippy]

My lens arrived on Saturday (so 7 days after 'notification') but possibly when no-one was at home as when delivered the package was tucked-away behind some 'stuff' in our vestibule for safety / security and there was no note left to say that it had been dropped-off. I only discovered it yesterday evening as I was locking-up......

Not yet had a chance to try it out 'properly' apart from checking focus at f5.6 at close-focus to around 4m and it seems to be spot-on with both bodies. So far so good. The thing is beautifully machined and all seems to function perfectly.

I've ordered a UVa and circular polariser which I will collect from a dealership in central town today so will take the oppottunity to grab some pic's to see what it's performance is like and report back. The hood does need a fairly firm hand when clamping-on to avoid slippage so I might look for a 37mm wide-angle hood when I collect the filters as an alternative.

Just for fun...

I've been asked by some photographers new to the game (generally those who have grown up in the digital age) why I use certain filters at the shooting stage instead of simply applying filter effects in Post-Prod so, for illustrative purposes, here are two 'Tourist' pics I snapped yesterday which demonstrate one benefit (IMO) of using a polariser. For clarification; the filter was attached for both snaps but rotated to what is in effect a 'neutral' position (for this particular horizontal snap) for the first image before being rotated 90 degrees for the second. Photo's were taken just a few seconds apart and - a bit of spotting aside - are effectively SOOC.

Camera was the M-D Typ-262; 35mm Summilux v2 with Leica Serie VII Circular Polariser;

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[Dennis]

5 hours ago, pippy said:

For clarification; the filter was attached for both snaps but rotated to what is in effect a 'neutral' position (for this particular horizontal snap) for the first image before being rotated 90 degrees for the second.

Very Interesting! Glad you posted!

For some reason, I prefer the first shot: darker shades and absence or water reflection. Plus "better" colors to my eyes. But maybe, the second files is more workable on the editing process? 🤔 Congrats for your new lens.

 

[pippy]

1 hour ago, Dennis said:

Very Interesting! Glad you posted! For some reason, I prefer the first shot: darker shades and absence or water reflection. Plus "better" colors to my eyes...

Hi, Dennis, and thanks for the congrats and the comments. For a bit of fun I'll be posting a pair of B'n'W snaps rattled-off today taken in a similar vein at the end of this post for yet more comparison purposes...

I was surprised to see that the pola filter worked so much more effectively in regards the reflections on the surface of the river in the first picture as opposed to the second. Clearly the primary orientation of the reflected light-waves will be in the vertical plane but I didn't appreciate the filter would be quite so effective in the first nor quite so ineffective in the second snap! One of the wonderful things about the M-D is that I had no idea of how the pair of images looked until they were downloaded!

On which note on to today's experiments with the new lens and new pola filter...

First impression is that the lens is VERY sharp. Astonishingly so, in fact! I can't believe why some reviewers might consider it to be otherwise unless pre-production samples weren't quite fully sorted (or else I have misjudged my images so far?).If I have time tomorrow I will try to take along the 28 Elmarit ASPH as well as the TTA to do a side-by-side (or possibly one-after-another?) comparison test as many here will be familiar with the quality of the images produced by the Elmarit and so can make an informed judgement for themselves.

As mentioned in post #179 I had ordered a pair of filters for collection today and, as it was a bit sunny, chose to fit the circular polariser. Being in a hurry (I hate not having my lenses protected by a filter) I simply ordered the things from Jessops as they have a branch in central town and, even although they were only ordered on-line this morning, would have them for me by 11:30. The filters seem to be high quality but the main thing I had a slight concern about was the overall diameter of the filter ring. The supplied hood is a cinch-clip fit and I wasn't altogether sure that the hood/filter pairing would work at all in practice. Needn't have worried; the ring is narrower than the front ring of the lens so the hood slips over and past the filter and clamps onto the ring of the lens as usual. This wasn't so important with the UVa but IS important with the pola as the rotating-ring which holds the glass needs to be able to spin independently of the hood in order for it to be adjustable depending on camera orientation. As things stand the filter CAN be adjusted/rotated albeit being a bit fiddly simply because everything is so tiny!

And so to a couple of frames along the same lines as the two snaps of HMS Belfast. Both with the TTA on the M Monochrom. Circ. pola on both; 'Neutral' and then 90 degrees 'round to 'Working'. No pretence at having any artistic merit whatsoever (understatement!) and were taken purely to test the filter; it doesn't have an index mark for orientation(!) so I will have to fashion one myself. Not rocket science. Neither image has had any 'Levels' / 'Sharpen' adjustments and are SOOC;

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I hope I bagged some decent images but, for this post, I think these illustrate the point fairly well.

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Edited January 31, 2022 by pippy

[Dennis]

3 hours ago, pippy said:

First impression is that the lens is VERY sharp. Astonishingly so, in fact!

That's great to know. I think much sharper than current Summaron, right?

3 hours ago, pippy said:

If I have time tomorrow I will try to take along the 28 Elmarit ASPH as well as the TTA to do a side-by-side (or possibly one-after-another?) comparison test as many here will be familiar with the quality of the images produced by the Elmarit and so can make an informed judgement for themselves.

That's would very instructive for many of us. I don't have any 28mm (for M) now, but I would love both. The current Elmarit for general 28mm lens, I have it for one year, and it's outstanding. And the "cheap" TTA when traveling or one wants to keep it super light and small.
You know, such as TTA 28 and a CV 35/1.4 II MC ... Maybe the camera and both lenses barely pass 1,000 gr. How about that?

3 hours ago, pippy said:

Being in a hurry (I hate not having my lenses protected by a filter) I simply ordered the things from Jessops

You made me laugh here! 

3 hours ago, pippy said:

Both with the TTA on the M Monochrom. Circ. pola on both; 'Neutral' and then 90 degrees 'round to 'Working'.

IMHO, I prefer the first one for the scene and the type of light. It makes the image feel more natural. Regardless of the blown highlights. I like it as an SOOC file to work with.

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3 hours ago, pippy said:First impression is that the lens is VERY sharp. Astonishingly so, in fact! I can't believe why some reviewers might consider it to be otherwise unless pre-production samples weren't quite fully sorted (or else I have misjudged my images so far?).If I have time tomorrow I will try to take along the 28 Elmarit ASPH as well as the TTA to do a side-by-side (or possibly one-after-another?) comparison test as many here will be familiar with the quality of the images produced by the Elmarit and so can make an informed judgement for themselves.

That’s good to hear and I’ll be interested in your thoughts v the Elmarit. 
 

I managed to borrow a TT Artisans 28 5.6 lens from a friend who has one and I’ve been quite impressed with its abilities. And it’s cuteness too!

Haven’t managed to secure my own yet, but that will happen. 

[NigelG]

Hi Pippy

Just chiming in after getting my copy - not been able to do very much as its rather cold here atm. 🥶

I walked "round the block" a bit to take a few shots when my copy arrived and like you was very surprised re the sharpness. I'm also wondering if there were pre-production samples that weren't so good given the negative comments in some quarters.

IMHO although the lens apes the physical form of the Leica Summaron re-issue is isn't a copy of the optics at all. Yes there's vignetting but its really a tiny stopped-down Elmarit (maybe the v4 or v1 ASPH?) but with maybe a little bit of distortion. I wonder if some of the negatives were people assuming it would have that retro "character" of the Summaron?

What it gives me is a (cheap) silver chrome brass-bodied lens that when mounted on the M9M allows me to "pocket" the camera in a coat and to snap away without the critical focussing of wider apertures like my Summicron ASPH v2.

I will chase down a 37-39 step up ring and then will have a tiny 28-50-90 39mm set (50 Cron v4 chrome and 90 MEM chrome) which can share the Elmar hood (subject to testing on the 28). I would agree on comments re the paint finish of the hood 'though - I lost a bit of edge paint from the brass just taking it out of a pocket (maybe it brushed against the plastic zip 😳)...

Quick SOOC Jpegs below- all wide open at 5.6 I think..

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[pippy]

1 hour ago, Dennis said:

That's great to know. I think much sharper than current Summaron, right?

That's would very instructive for many of us. I don't have any 28mm (for M) now, but I would love both. The current Elmarit for general 28mm lens, I have it for one year, and it's outstanding. And the "cheap" TTA when traveling or one wants to keep it super light and small.
You know, such as TTA 28 and a CV 35/1.4 II MC ... Maybe the camera and both lenses barely pass 1,000 gr. How about that?

IMHO, I prefer the first one for the scene and the type of light. It makes the image feel more natural. Regardless of the blown highlights. I like it as an SOOC file to work with.

 

Taking your points in order, Dennis;

I haven't had a Summaron - either vintage or re-working - to try so, unfortunately, cannot comment on that aspect of its performance.

 

Weights;

My 28mm Elmarit ASPH is v1 (I preferred the far smaller hood) and the weights (according to my digital scales) for that lens, the TTA and the M Monochrom are as follows;

Elmarit : Lens = 179g / Rear cap = 11g / Leitz UVa Filter () = 12g / Hood () = 9g. Total as used 9by me () = 211g. By you with rear cap? = 190g

TTA : Lens 152g / Rear cap = 44g (it's Brass!) / Jessops UVa Filter = 5g / Hood = 41g (it's Brass!). Total 01 = 242g. By you with Leica Plastic Rear Cap = 163g.

The M Monochrom (with battery and card but no strap) = 595g.

Total as used by you (with a Monochrom and a Leica plastic rear swapped for the brass cap), therefore, equals 948g.

 

I know exactly what you mean about the first image feeling more natural....because it is! There's a very good argument for using 'Dramatic Skies' and they can be very effective when used in their 'proper place' - just ask Ansel Adams next time you meet-up - and as long as they aren't done to death in every single photograph. IMO, of course.

As far as the blown highlights are concerned (not that I'm being defensive...LOL!); having now had a very brief sampling of the DNG file they are only just 'gone' and the deepest shadows are only just holding detail. In the area with no texture which I tried (circular window below clock-face and above pediment) there is only a certain section of the circle which reads 255 - much of it hovers around the 251-253 zone - and the deepest blacks (bottom left corner) have a low-point of 5 so had I given any less exposure to retain such tone in the tiny amount of detail in the window would result in the road in the foreground would be lost which exchange, IMO, would be a poor one. Not that I gave the exposure of the snap all that much careful consideration at the time......after all; it was always going to be just a test snap!

Philip.

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1 hour ago, NigelG said:

I walked "round the block" a bit to take a few shots when my copy arrived and like you was very surprised re the sharpness. I'm also wondering if there were pre-production samples that weren't so good given the negative comments in some quarters.

IMHO although the lens apes the physical form of the Leica Summaron re-issue is isn't a copy of the optics at all. Yes there's vignetting but its really a tiny stopped-down Elmarit (maybe the v4 or v1 ASPH?) but with maybe a little bit of distortion. I wonder if some of the negatives were people assuming it would have that retro "character" of the Summaron?

What it gives me is a (cheap) silver chrome brass-bodied lens that when mounted on the M9M allows me to "pocket" the camera in a coat and to snap away without the critical focussing of wider apertures like my Summicron ASPH v2.

I will chase down a 37-39 step up ring and then will have a tiny 28-50-90 39mm set (50 Cron v4 chrome and 90 MEM chrome) which can share the Elmar hood (subject to testing on the 28). I would agree on comments re the paint finish of the hood 'though - I lost a bit of edge paint from the brass just taking it out of a pocket (maybe it brushed against the plastic zip 😳)...

Quick SOOC Jpegs below- all wide open at 5.6 I think..

Yes; the optical formula as we know is not the same as the original nor the recent Summaron release so I suppose we shouldn't be surprised if it renders in a different manner. I haven't really examined all the test-images but I can't say I've noticed much vignetting at all. In fact I hadn't even thought about it because I hadn't seen any! Perhaps my subject-matter - and the fact that I was using a Pola - clouded this aspect of the performance? I'll have a better look tomorrow.

I also haven't noticed any barrel nor pincushion distortion. Once more I'll have a better look tomorrow...

It really does make for a tiny package! The hood as supplied is nice but I think for the long-term I'll pick up a reverse-conical vented effort. I had no issues about the hood moving out of position at all but for the way I carry my 'shooting' camera a cinch-clip-on hood is not a good idea...

 

Just for fits'n'giggles I'll post a few things taken at the same time as the earlier shots to give an idea of sharpness. Full-frame at 72dpi then two 100% crops; first from rougly central then second from bottom-left corner. There is some softening of the image at the very corner but it's hardly a disaster IMO. Again; all images are SOOC. I don't think I even did the 'spotting' thing...and, as usual, images here are softer than 'reality'!

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Edited January 31, 2022 by pippy

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18 minutes ago, pippy said:

Weights;

My 28mm Elmarit ASPH is v1 (I preferred the far smaller hood) and the weights (according to my digital scales) for that lens, the TTA and the M Monochrom are as follows;

Elmarit : Lens = 179g / Rear cap = 11g / Leitz UVa Filter () = 12g / Hood () = 9g. Total as used 9by me () = 211g. By you with rear cap? = 190g

TTA : Lens 152g / Rear cap = 44g (it's Brass!) / Jessops UVa Filter = 5g / Hood = 41g (it's Brass!). Total 01 = 242g. By you with Leica Plastic Rear Cap = 163g.

The M Monochrom (with battery and card but no strap) = 595g.

Total as used by you (with a Monochrom and a Leica plastic rear swapped for the brass cap), therefore, equals 948g.

I see you made the math 🙂 Impressive tiny weight.

20 minutes ago, pippy said:

after all; it was always going to be just a test snap!

And it's a keeper. Plus very instructive. Good job Phillip