nwphil Posted October 20, 2021 Share #1 Posted October 20, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a cron 35 asph v5 and a noc 50 .95, and looking to get a 35 or 50 summilux pre-asph for a M6 classic (non-ttl). They are both at same price, very similar condition, one 6-bit coding was added the other not. Aside that only other difference, is that one comes with more clutter (papers - read test certificate vs 2 booklets) than the other. I have a good idea of how they both render, but not on film, and potentially either might be used once on a while on a M240 ( so the coding might help). My intention is to leave it as a legacy gift to my nephew in a decade or less (assuming she somehow keeps interest on photography), but using it sporadically. The hard part is thinking of what indeed be the choice for a newbie down the road - I am leaning towards the 50, as it would a lighter version to use meanwhile, so indeed there is a lot of induced bias here looking for different perspectives.... Thanks Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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evikne Posted October 20, 2021 Share #2 Posted October 20, 2021 The 35mm Summilux pre-asph cannot be 6-bit coded (there is not enough space on the bayonet ring). Except from that, the 35 vs. 50mm dilemma is certainly one of the most common question here on the forum. Here is one of the most recent discussions. Whether it's digital or analog may not matter that much. I think 35mm is probably a bit more versatile and easier to focus, but personally I love both focal lengths just as much. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwphil Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share #3 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, evikne said: The 35mm Summilux pre-asph cannot be 6-bit coded (there is not enough space on the bayonet ring). Except from that, the 35 vs. 50mm dilemma is certainly one of the most common question here on the forum. Here is one of the most recent discussions. Whether it's digital or analog may not matter that much. I think 35mm is probably a bit more versatile and easier to focus, but personally I love both focal lengths just as much. indeed it is the 50mm that is coded. The fact that the current 35 and 50 I have do a great job on their own does not help. I am leaning a bit towards the 50 because the noct is such a beast to carry around all day, but I do like more wide angles - if was solely for me, I would be looking for a 24 or 28 I had a 50 cron in the past, non-coded. iI that really an advantage on a lux (50)? talking about in -camera lens corrections vs in post Edited October 20, 2021 by nwphil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spydrxx Posted October 21, 2021 Share #4 Posted October 21, 2021 Get what works for you....choosing a lens for another person who may or may not really want it is a slippery slope. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwphil Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share #5 Posted October 21, 2021 59 minutes ago, spydrxx said: Get what works for you....choosing a lens for another person who may or may not really want it is a slippery slope. that is part of the problem - I am sort of choosing for someone that might not even become the receiver. 35 is the most versatile, but the 50 would replace the noctilux ( not permanently). yeah, I know - kind of answering it myself. maybe I should ask, and difficult as it might be being a different focal and personal perceptions involved, which one does have more character as a pre-aspherical? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 21, 2021 Share #6 Posted October 21, 2021 11 hours ago, nwphil said: that is part of the problem - I am sort of choosing for someone that might not even become the receiver. 35 is the most versatile, but the 50 would replace the noctilux ( not permanently). yeah, I know - kind of answering it myself. maybe I should ask, and difficult as it might be being a different focal and personal perceptions involved, which one does have more character as a pre-aspherical? The Summilux 35/1.4 pre-asph is a special lens, soft with "glow" i.e. halos around highlights at full aperture. Significantly sharper above but with more flare than the Summilux 50/1.4 pre-asph by far. By comparison, the later is sharper at full aperture with almost no glow, little flare and similar sharpness as a Summicron 50/2 v4 or v5 at the centre of the frame at f/2 and on. It is rather soft on edges and corners below f/5.6 though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 21, 2021 Share #7 Posted October 21, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) My 50mm Summilux pre-ASPH flares a lot more than my 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH. But the 50mm is currently sent to Germany for a CLA and 6-bit coding. So I hope it's better when I get it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted October 21, 2021 Share #8 Posted October 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, evikne said: My 50mm Summilux pre-ASPH flares a lot more than my 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH. But the 50mm is currently sent to Germany for a CLA and 6-bit coding. So I hope it's better when I get it back. How far can a wipe with a microfiber cloth on an inner element really change the issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 21, 2021 Share #9 Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: How far can a wipe with a microfiber cloth on an inner element really change the issue? I have to pay USD 1350 for the job, so I hope they do a little more than that. Edited October 21, 2021 by evikne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted October 21, 2021 Share #10 Posted October 21, 2021 IMHO, the 50 'lux renders the classic Leica selective focus look in a most beautiful manner. And, to me, 35mm is a focal length were more depth of field and sharpness are important to accentuate the 'Leica look'. Therefore, I would recommend the 50 'lux, particularly since you have the 35 ASPH. One last thought, for film and IMHO, a pre-ASPH 50 'lux and a v4 35 'cron is the ultimate/classic combination. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFo Posted October 22, 2021 Share #11 Posted October 22, 2021 14 hours ago, evikne said: I have to pay USD 1350 for the job, so I hope they do a little more than that. Is that price for real? I say “WOW” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwphil Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted October 22, 2021 so I went for a mint 50 lux 6-bit coded - debated for a while if a 28mm would be even a better option, but in the end, the 50 lux does fit best in my set of lenses Thanks for everyone's insights 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 23, 2021 Share #13 Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) The OP has made his choice, but it may be helpful to others to use this same thread to post these samples. I have both 35 and 50 Summilux-M pre-asph lenses - 11870 and 11114, neither 6-bit coded. I bought them to use on a recently acquired M4. I have not developed any of the film using the 35, and taken no shots yet with the 50. I put both on the SL2-S this morning, using the lens profiles the the camera offers. I was intending to check both 'glow'/flare and bokeh when shooting wide open. The weather was overcast, so I didn't get the highlights I wanted, but these shots may be helpful. No processing in Lightroom. First close focus, 50 then 35. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 23, 2021 by LocalHero1953 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325564-summilux-pre-asp-35-vs-50-dilema/?do=findComment&comment=4298310'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 23, 2021 Share #14 Posted October 23, 2021 Then distance focus, 50 then 35. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325564-summilux-pre-asp-35-vs-50-dilema/?do=findComment&comment=4298312'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 23, 2021 Share #15 Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) There is very obvious vignetting on the 35, but I need to look at this again - I accidentally selected the 35 ASPH profile for a couple of shots and they seemed to show less vignetting! The 35 seems to show a bit more 'glow' (bleed of highlights) than the 50. Edited October 23, 2021 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 23, 2021 Share #16 Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) A couple of others: 50 then 35. The bokeh on the 50 is a bit busy. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 23, 2021 by LocalHero1953 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325564-summilux-pre-asp-35-vs-50-dilema/?do=findComment&comment=4298317'>More sharing options...
nwphil Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share #17 Posted November 4, 2021 thanks for posting the samples LH. yes, I do agree they will be useful for similar pursuers. I do find the draw on the 50 at close range better than the 35 ( btw the focus point are not the same), but then on the second and third example the 35 seems a bit better. Took a few shots today around the house, and indeed find the resolution pleasant - reminiscent of a noct. Surprised to feel how heavy the titanium feels. I will take a few shots on the M240, before become "glued" to the M6 ( have to figure which film type I want to go with as first roll) Anyway, some shots of the set will come later along with taken with the M240 Thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted November 5, 2021 Share #18 Posted November 5, 2021 Thanks. Look forward to the shots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted November 5, 2021 Share #19 Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Am 21.10.2021 um 09:34 schrieb Capuccino-Muffin: How far can a wipe with a microfiber cloth on an inner element really change the issue? I have had 3 older Leica lenses CLAd and colomated recently and they all came back making better images with less flair. In the case of the 35 Summilux tightened up, focus was loose. They were all 1960 era lenses, and just needed a little TLC. Edited November 5, 2021 by tommonego@gmail.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwphil Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share #20 Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) a few quick snapshots Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 5, 2021 by nwphil 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325564-summilux-pre-asp-35-vs-50-dilema/?do=findComment&comment=4307883'>More sharing options...
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