Mark T Posted October 13, 2021 Share #1 Posted October 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Personally, I'm pretty excited about this. I have been hoping for a new 90 mm lens with an E39 filter thread, because I'm funny like that. I have never wanted the collapsible Leica version either. Anyway, it seems like it is here. 60 mm in length and 250 g in weight... I'm ready to order now, please. By all accounts Voigtlander have been making some cracking lenses lately, and this one is APO to boot. Anyone else interested? Hopefully as time progresses we can have some discussion of the lens and photos from the lens here. https://leicarumors.com/2021/10/12/coming-soon-new-voigtlander-apo-skopar-90mm-f-2-8-vm-lens-for-leica-m-mount.aspx/ Cheers, Mark 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 Hi Mark T, Take a look here New Lens: Voigtlander APO-SKOPAR 90mm f/2.8 VM. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Thury Posted October 13, 2021 Share #2 Posted October 13, 2021 It might well replace the 90mm f/3.5 Apo-Lanthar in my bag. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted October 13, 2021 Share #3 Posted October 13, 2021 My order is in. Looks like a worthy replacement for the Tele-Elmarit 90mm 'thin' (even if more the 'fat' in profile). What say you @adan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 13, 2021 Share #4 Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Weight is closer to the 225g "thin" version. (And weren't we just dicussing "new" C/V lens possibilities - and Kobayashi-san's opinion of 90s on an RF - on another thread?) I dunno - the light weight and performance of the 75mm Nokton had made me sort of swear off 90s for the time being. But this could be interesting, and C/V has not screwed up any of their recent releases. With the demise of all the Leica 90 Elmarits/TEs/Summarits, this is aimed squarely at a hole amidst current lenses. Since Cameraquest.com hasn't broken embargo yet, shall we have a pool on the price? I claim $699.00. Edit: Optically, the first four elements look a lot like those in the 75 Nokton formula (reduced in size, of course). I wonder if C/V has discovered some "magic pixie dust" similar to Leica's concave front/rear elements, that they can re-use across different designs. Edited October 13, 2021 by adan 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted October 13, 2021 Share #5 Posted October 13, 2021 Yes, only 25g more, APO and should be more flare resistant... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share #6 Posted October 13, 2021 It has an interesting lens design with 7 elements! This is way more than Tele Elmarit, Summarit, Emarit, Elmar etc. Even more than the APO Summicron. Not that more is necessarily better, but it should be a highly corrected lens whatever the case. 5 of the elements are "special" glass. The design seems broadly similar to the 90mm Summarit but with extra elements. Playing along with @adan in the price game above, I think it will be priced closer to the APO Lanther 35 and 50 mm as a highly corrected, non-classic type lens. However, it's all guesswork so I'll go for just under four figure USD ~$950... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325342-new-lens-voigtlander-apo-skopar-90mm-f28-vm/?do=findComment&comment=4291530'>More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share #7 Posted October 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 minutes ago, 105012 said: Yes, only 25g more, APO and should be more flare resistant... There is something interesting written about flare in the lens description: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! "You can cause cinematic flare known as ball blur by pointing towards a point light source." I wasn't sure what to make of that. I'm generally not in favour of special effects lenses and I don't know if this means the lens has been dumbed down in some way? This is the one line in the description that gives me cause for pause... What do you think is going on with that? Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! "You can cause cinematic flare known as ball blur by pointing towards a point light source." I wasn't sure what to make of that. I'm generally not in favour of special effects lenses and I don't know if this means the lens has been dumbed down in some way? This is the one line in the description that gives me cause for pause... What do you think is going on with that? ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325342-new-lens-voigtlander-apo-skopar-90mm-f28-vm/?do=findComment&comment=4291535'>More sharing options...
Dennis Posted October 13, 2021 Share #8 Posted October 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, adan said: Since Cameraquest.com hasn't broken embargo yet, shall we have a pool on the price? I claim $699.00. $899 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 13, 2021 Share #9 Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Quote "You can cause cinematic flare known as ball blur by pointing towards a point light source." I wasn't sure what to make of that. Given the sometimes weak translations from Japanese to English in manuals, I wouldn't worry about that - yet. "Ball blur" doesn't actually seem to be a "thing" in cinema, so I suspect it may be a reference to pure-circular bokeh blurs (not "flare"), rather than the polygons sometimes produced by fewer blades. OTOH, the wording seems to indicate that that may only occur at 3 apertures, with polygons at other apertures.Which is true of many lenses, including the aforementioned "thin" 90 TE - polygons or even pizza-wheels/starfishes in the middle apertures). See 5th picture here (of the aperture at a medium opening - starfish). https://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/90mm-f28-tele.htm Bit like trying to read fish entrails at this point. Edited October 13, 2021 by adan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted October 13, 2021 Share #10 Posted October 13, 2021 Yes, I’m sure it’s referring to circular bokeh balls, not flare, f2.8 (no surprise), f/4 and f/22. Not really an effect to be concerned about (for me). On flare, I’m hoping modern CAD and ray-tracing will give a good result… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share #11 Posted October 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, adan said: "Ball blur" doesn't actually seem to be a "thing" in cinema, so I suspect it may be a reference to pure-circular bokeh blurs, rather than the polygons sometimes produced by fewer blades. OTOH, the wording seems to indicate that that may only occur at 3 apertures, with polygons at other apertures. (which is true of many lenses - polygons in the middle apertures). You have honed in on the confusion in my mind precisely. On the one hand, it seems highly corrected, on the other is may have a propensity to flare (maybe as a nod to the Tele Elmarit thin?). Not sure what to make of this and hope that it is just something lost in translation. Fingers crossed things will be clarified by Cameraquest or similar when details of pricing and such are made available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, adan said: Edit: Optically, the first four elements look a lot like those in the 75 Nokton formula (reduced in size, of course). I wonder if C/V has discovered some "magic pixie dust" similar to Leica's concave front/rear elements, that they can re-use across different designs. Also of interest, the 75mm Nokton follows the pattern of a tele lens for the front groups, and a normal 50mm lens for the rear groups. Best of both worlds? Often seems so. That said, the small size of this 90mm is what makes it most compelling. I typically use long lenses as my second, 10-20% lens. Don't fancy carrying around half a kilo of Summicron (much less spend Summicron money), for a handful of shots. This is easy as a "slip in the pocket, just in-case" lens. Perfect for travel in particular. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted October 13, 2021 Share #13 Posted October 13, 2021 I had the original CV ltm 90mm Apo Lanthar f3.5 that I used when backpacking. It was a very nice lens and I still have a framed print hanging on a wall that I made with that lens on FP4+ when backpacking across Dartmoor in 2003. This new one also has a 39mm filter thread as the previous ltm lens did. It looks like it might be slightly shorter and has a bayonet hood, which would be an improvement on the older lens which had quite a long screw-in hood and made the lens quite long overall (the main reason I sold it). If this new one performs at least as good as the older ltm version (very likely to exceed it) and the price is right, then it will be another good lens. A clever move by CV to exploit the gap that @adan has identified. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 13, 2021 Share #14 Posted October 13, 2021 A modern "fat" Tele-Elmarit 90/2.8 sort of. Interesting indeed. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted October 13, 2021 Share #15 Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, adan said: (And weren't we just dicussing "new" C/V lens possibilities - and Kobayashi-san's opinion of 90s on an RF - on another thread?) Yes, with me. I'm happy he changed his mind and Voigtlander is releasing a new 90mm! More lenses = more choices 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share #16 Posted October 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, Ouroboros said: This new one also has a 39mm filter thread as the previous ltm lens did. It looks like it might be slightly shorter and has a bayonet hood, which would be an improvement on the older lens which had quite a long screw-in hood and made the lens quite long overall (the main reason I sold it). The accessory hood can be mounted in reverse for storage too, which is useful. I guess this is the optimal solution for a hood. Slide out hoods are elegant but possibly not as effective. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325342-new-lens-voigtlander-apo-skopar-90mm-f28-vm/?do=findComment&comment=4291585'>More sharing options...
ianman Posted October 13, 2021 Share #17 Posted October 13, 2021 Looks like my Apo Summicron and FAT Tele-Elmarit will be up for sale soon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Blanko Posted October 13, 2021 Share #18 Posted October 13, 2021 At least on paper this looks like a promising lens for travel & landscapes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 13, 2021 Share #19 Posted October 13, 2021 I’ve ended up selling, for various reasons, every 75/90 M lens I’ve owned over the course of 30 or so years, sticking with 28/35/50. This might be worth another experiment, given the estimated price point and recent C/V commentary. On the other hand, the SL2 now covers those focal lengths more than adequately for me, albeit in a much bigger package. No rush, but worth thinking about and monitoring. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 13, 2021 Share #20 Posted October 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Mark T said: On the one hand, it seems highly corrected, on the other is may have a propensity to flare (maybe as a nod to the Tele Elmarit thin?). One point about the optics of the APO-Skopar - they seem to be l-o-n-g in length. If that is the case, and they extend nearly to the lens mount flange (we'll have to wait on a rear picture, or complete diagram including the metal), that would eradicate the primary cause of the 90(thin) veiling flare. Wherein there is a good 3cm/1.5-inch of "empty barrel" behind the last glass element, and while blackened and ridged, that still reflects a lot of "spill light," producing the nasty "sun just outside the picture area" flare. That's one advantage of the fat TE - the glass fills most of the barrel, and the empty space at the back is only 1cm or so. So it flares a lot less, regardless of its other optical properties. See rear-view image (#5): https://www.leicashop.com/classic/at/en/lcc/Leica-Tele-Elmarit-2-8-90mm-11800/33115-2 and https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/2.8_Tele-Elmarit 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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