SL2-S Firmware Coming soon 👏

[Mpi]

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1 hour ago, Steven said:

Could it be the lens you use ? I wonder if sigma and pana lenses perform better than the clunky sl lenses on the SL2S... 

I only own Leica lenses (APO-Summicron-SL 35, 75, and 90, the Vario-Elmar 24-90 and 90-280, and the Summilux-SL 50). AF for all of them is faster and more precise on the S1H than the SL2.

As both the Panasonics and the Leicas use a contrast based AF I was hoping that this update might bring Leica to Panasonic levels. So I was wondering whether someone tried. @MarkinVan's post at least gives me hope (just to be clear: I don't think AF is terrible and it is certainly not something that limits me 99.99% of the time -- but if I can get an improvement I will happily take it)

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[frame-it]

4 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

The Maestro III is probably at its limits

which is why i wonder why people keep talking about Apple ProresRaw, not to mention Apples Licensing process

[Aaron Daniel]

35 minutes ago, frame-it said:

which is why i wonder why people keep talking about Apple ProresRaw, not to mention Apples Licensing process

Aah yes I can see the processor being the barrier in this way (as well as the licensing requirement). Is there any news or literature that points to the Maestro III being incompatible with ProRes Raw? Please excuse my ignorance on this subject 😅 suffice it to say I was in fact holding my breath for Raw to be enabled in this update

[frame-it]

42 minutes ago, Aaron Daniel said:

Aah yes I can see the processor being the barrier in this way (as well as the licensing requirement). Is there any news or literature that points to the Maestro III being incompatible with ProRes Raw? Please excuse my ignorance on this subject 😅 suffice it to say I was in fact holding my breath for Raw to be enabled in this update

i didn't say "incompatible", i quoted "The Maestro III is probably at its limits,"

[i-Leica]

good news, that the next firmware for the SL2 will have all the same futures included in the update for the SL2-s

[Slender]

12 hours ago, i-Leica said:

good news, that the next firmware for the SL2 will have all the same futures included in the update for the SL2-s

Read about it when SL2s came out in december but nothing since.... it better be lol

[ruskkyle]

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Can't see anything on this so can anybody with firmware 2.0 confirm whether 4k 50p is still cropped to APS-C mode?

Thanks.

[simon_hsn]

34 minutes ago, ruskkyle said:

Can't see anything on this so can anybody with firmware 2.0 confirm whether 4k 50p is still cropped to APS-C mode?

Thanks.

Still cropped. This has nothing to do with the firmware. Rather it is a limitation of the sensor readout. 

[ruskkyle]

26 minutes ago, simon_hsn said:

Still cropped. This has nothing to do with the firmware. Rather it is a limitation of the sensor readout. 

Thanks. Though as I understand it, 50p is now recorded in 10bit 4K?

[simon_hsn]

1 minute ago, ruskkyle said:

Thanks. Though as I understand it, 50p is now recorded in 10bit 4K?

Yes, but it is with 4.2.0 color only. I need to do a little testing myself, but the 200 Mbit/s HEVC (aka H.265) 10 bit 4.2.0 seems decent enough to mix it with the 24/25/30p 400 Mbit/s 10 bit 4.2.2. codec in All-I H.264 compression.

[Slender]

In the meantime you can do 10 bits 4K 422 60fps in FF with SL2 if you use Atomos...

Leica please bring us the 5K 10bits in 422 for SL2 FW 3.0 🙏🙏🙏

[profus]

On 5/7/2021 at 8:57 PM, i-Leica said:

good news, that the next firmware for the SL2 will have all the same futures included in the update for the SL2-s

You have some inside info or...? If yes - WHEN do we get the SL2 fw?

[Slender]

I heard July...

[Photoworks]

looks cool, can be useful in some applications..

 

[hansvons]

The Follow Focus thing in FW 2.0 is in my very humble opinion a classic example of over-engineering. The only application which I would try to use this feature is when a motion control focus pull is needed. But then I had a proper cine camera. I’ve tried this with a Canon  500Mk2. It takes longer to set this thing up than just to take the shot a few times. 
 

Focus pulls are a filmmaker’s daily bread. It’s like panning a craft you learn (not difficult). No digital assistance required. 
 

I could think of many things I’d rather have developed than this gimmick. 

[i-Leica]

Am 11.5.2021 um 10:00 schrieb profus:

You have some inside info or...? If yes - WHEN do we get the SL2 fw?

July

[Simone_DF]

I recently got a SL2s and from what I could see the new firmware brings substantial improvements in both AFS and AFC.

To my eyes and after about 1000 pics shot with the SL2s, the AF went from basically unusable to overall acceptable. Ie it's still crap but I can live with it.
- Face, body and eye detection is visibly improved. It recognize elements more easily, it's faster and more reliable, with some caveats.
- AF in general feels snappier.

Now the bad stuff:
- Face, body and eye detection goes banana the moment there's more than one person in the frame. Instead of locking onto one subject and stick with it, it starts to jump around. The more the people, the more it gets unreliable. If there are 5 or more moving people in a frame, you have to disable it and use field or whatever to lock focus where you want it. I think this can be easily fixed via firmware, they should add a more stable focus locking, ie once focus is acquired, restrain it so it doesn't jump the fuck around. Note that this happens only in crowds. If there are ie two people, it's not that dramatic.
- It's still a tad too slow to recognize human subjects in a frame. Not enough horsepower issue, probably
- AF-C is more reliable but let's be honest, it's still crap and below what Sony accomplished 6 years ago with the A7rII, and 6 years or more gap is very visible nowadays.

For a long series of circumstances, I got both a S5 and a SL2-S, and from what I can see, the S5 is a bit faster and has slightly better AF performances, but it's not a big gap. I'd say the SL2-S has 90-95% of the S5 AF performance, but take that with a pinch of salt, it was not a scientific test, just my impression after normal use. 

There are some rumors about Panasonic launching a second gen S1 with "revamped DFD". That would be great news, especially if it trickles down to a SL3 later on

 

[LocalHero1953]

Agreed..........

But we have heard the 'new dawn of DFD' before. I won't hold my breath.

Edited June 9, 2021 by LocalHero1953

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[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Agreed..........

But we have heard the 'new dawn of DFD' before. I won't hold my breath.

Yup. But a new, more powerful processor should improve things. Have a look at how piss poor is the AF on the Q2 (Maestro II) vs the SL2s (Maestro III)

[Photoworks]

5 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

Yup. But a new, more powerful processor should improve things. Have a look at how piss poor is the AF on the Q2 (Maestro II) vs the SL2s (Maestro III)

The Q2 has totally different lens system with central shutter, they are always a little slower