jplomley Posted March 27, 2021 Share #1 Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) About to pull the trigger on an M10M. Shot an M9M many years ago, and always regretted selling it. Currently shooting with an M10-R. Will not be travelling until 2022, so to make the last stretch of the pandemic bearable, thought I would task myself with a focus on B&W street and rural photography. Would like to hear from others that made the leap to an M10M, the reasons, and if there have been any regrets along the way? ~ Cheers, Jeff Edited March 27, 2021 by jplomley 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leopold Green Posted March 27, 2021 Share #2 Posted March 27, 2021 I traded my M9M in to get the M10M - going back to the dimensions of the M7 is wonderful and the quiet shutter (actually quieter than my M4) is marvellous too... it has taken me longer than I thought it would to get used to all the extra functions (auto ISO, live view, touchscreen) and in the end I just went back to using it as I did the M9M - fully manually and once I did that I really started to enjoy it... the files, as you know from the 10R, are massive compared to the M9M - they come out less flat which I think is because Lightroom now applies a custom curve in the tone curve control - clearly you can turn this off... I find there is less work to do with the files to get my preferred high contrast look. I miss the manual framelines and preferred the old 'analogue' exposure display in the viewfinder but that is a small thing... and you can shoot in almost complete darkness. If you can afford it (especially as a companion to the 10R) I think you should go for it 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chips Posted March 27, 2021 Share #3 Posted March 27, 2021 1 hour ago, jplomley said: About to pull the trigger on an M10M. Shot an M9M many years ago, and always regretted selling it. Currently shooting with an M10-R. Will not be travelling until 2022, so to make the last stretch of the pandemic bearable, thought I would task myself with a focus on B&W street and rural photography. Would like to hear from others that made the leap to an M10M, the reasons, and if there have been any regrets along the way? ~ Cheers, Jeff 1 hour ago, jplomley said: About to pull the trigger on an M10M. Shot an M9M many years ago, and always regretted selling it. Currently shooting with an M10-R. Will not be travelling until 2022, so to make the last stretch of the pandemic bearable, thought I would task myself with a focus on B&W street and rural photography. Would like to hear from others that made the leap to an M10M, the reasons, and if there have been any regrets along the way? ~ Cheers, Jeff I was where you are now about 11 months ago. Before I purchased the M10M I tried it out for a few dozen images (I took the SD card back to my computer and worked the images just a bit in LR) and was amazed. I have purchased the M10M with the larger viewfinder window, live view, focus peaking and find that it really is an excellent camera and gives me what I want -- rich tones and deep contrast. It is very discreet for street photography, silent shutter and all black, no distinctive red dot, virtually invisible. The 41 MP sensor has no filters so theoretically the image has to be sharper -- but if you want some special tones you need to purchase external filters (Yellow, Green, Red and Orange) -- just like the old days with film, except at 41 MP much more data is captured than with film. One word of caution the blown highlights are not recoverable so I need to underexpose so I can bring up the shadows and keep the highlights. The M10M is a commitment to B&W and there's no option for color -- its B&W or nothing. But the quality of the images are beautiful when worked a bit in LR. Pull the trigger I don't regret my decision a year later at all. CHIPS 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaTobin Posted March 27, 2021 Share #4 Posted March 27, 2021 Is 1/180 hand held possible with sharp images handheld? I am on the fence about buying one, but I worry with the flash that I use at 400 Iso and 1/180, the huge megapixel size might not be high enough shutter speeds for sharp images. Tobin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 27, 2021 Share #5 Posted March 27, 2021 1 hour ago, LeicaTobin said: Is 1/180 hand held possible with sharp images handheld? I am on the fence about buying one, but I worry with the flash that I use at 400 Iso and 1/180, the huge megapixel size might not be high enough shutter speeds for sharp images. Tobin The minimum required shutter-speed when shooting handheld depends on your hands and the focal length. I assume that you have experience with FF 24MP sensor. The increased resolution does not matter for minimum shutter-speed if you compare outputs of the same size (print, online). If you are pixel peeping, you need to have a 30%-40% higher shutter speed than with a 24MP sensor. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaTobin Posted March 27, 2021 Share #6 Posted March 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, SrMi said: The minimum required shutter-speed when shooting handheld depends on your hands and the focal length. I assume that you have experience with FF 24MP sensor. The increased resolution does not matter for minimum shutter-speed if you compare outputs of the same size (print, online). If you are pixel peeping, you need to have a 30%-40% higher shutter speed than with a 24MP sensor. Thank you for this. I have a M10 with a 35 cron and I hand hold with flash at 1/180 and its razor sharp. So 1/180 should be good with what you said about 30%-40% higher than the focal length rule. I have just seen so many sample online with the m10m where the pictures are not sharp but again, that is review sites where the people are not paying attention to steady technique and such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olegn Posted March 27, 2021 Share #7 Posted March 27, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, jplomley said: About to pull the trigger on an M10M. Shot an M9M many years ago, and always regretted selling it. Currently shooting with an M10-R. Will not be travelling until 2022, so to make the last stretch of the pandemic bearable, thought I would task myself with a focus on B&W street and rural photography. Would like to hear from others that made the leap to an M10M, the reasons, and if there have been any regrets along the way? ~ Cheers, Jeff Hello! I'm hobbie photographer. I bought M10M a year ago while already having an M9M. Main reasons were - i just wanted to try it very much + shutter sound (very meaninful feature) + newer and better everithing. Tha plan was to use for a time and then decide which one to keep. When decision time came i understood that i cant sell any of this cameras. There was not any regrets about M10M - its just perfect. It gives better results then i expect in every light conditions. I highly confident with this camera whatever i need to shoot. When i then take an M9M sometimes - it just feels so personal and familiar and makes me smile when i just hold it in hands. Just taking any photos with this camera makes my happier. Only i cant take it to do some conference reportage or to shoot some sensitive romantic story or to the museum or an opera. Its too loud and to slow to make a WORK. But its a love to make everything esle with it. So answering your question in total - if you loved your M9M i'm very sure that you will be absolutely happy with your new M10M. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 27, 2021 Share #8 Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) I had shot in color for a number of years with my M-P 240 and more recently with my Q2. I was becoming more and more interested in black and white photography and wanted to return to shooting in B&W - but without the extra work/time involved in shooting Tri-X in my M4-P and doing my own developing at home. I didn't want to shoot in color and then convert to B&W because of the shortcomings of that process. These factors are what motivated me to get my M10 Monochrom. The M10 platform is nearly perfect IMHO: Original M camera size/dimensions (an excellent upgrade over the chunky M-P 240), 50-60% quieter shutter than the M-P 240 (BIG improvement), ISO 100,000 capability with a very high viable maximum ISO (a HUGE deal), touch screen, ISO dial on the top plate (another BIG improvement), beautiful all flat black finish and with the new firmware upgrade, in camera perspective control. I have had no regrets at all with the M10 Mono. I can't see where there is anything to regret. Edited March 27, 2021 by Herr Barnack 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted March 27, 2021 Share #9 Posted March 27, 2021 I sold my M(240) which was my first digital M late 2018 after 5 years. I sold it and went on for color with my CL and SL (601). I got the M10M as soon as it was available. I love the UI, the wonderfully quiet shutter, and the perfect Size. It is also much more responsive than the M(240). I set the camera on auto-iso (properly exposed you can go up to is 25000 (and more) with nice pictures !), almost never look at the screen (auto review is off, the protector hides the screen). I just shoot. Every time I take the camera, the same pleasure returns. Some people here are talking about the coming M11, personally I don’t wait, I just don’t really see what could be improved If a M10M-D had been available, I probably would have bought one instead of the M10M normal version. My CL and SL got very very little use in the past year. With the APO 50 or with the Noct .95 results are amazing. Didier 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted March 28, 2021 Share #10 Posted March 28, 2021 no regrets, in fact I just managed to find a second hand one and I traded in my 10P for a second body, for me this is the quintessential digital M I had 246 and M9M over the years I use M for B&W and X1D for colour at the moment 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasdfg Posted March 28, 2021 Share #11 Posted March 28, 2021 Add me to the list - no regrets at all. It is an expensive camera but very much future proof in all respects and there is nothing more I could want from it (not often can this be said about a camera!). You've got plenty of resolution, fantastic high iso performance, very very malleable files. The form factor is perfect + the quiet shutter. I find the files out of camera contrasty too, a bit much for my taste, but no issue here as you can do a lot to the files anyway. I set the LCD to display images at lower contrast (I think under the jpeg settings, which applies to the previews even if I only shoot DNG) to get a preview closer to how I would eventually process it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted March 28, 2021 Share #12 Posted March 28, 2021 I'm another in the 'no regrets' camp. Had the original M9M, which eventually succumbed to the sensor problem. Leica offered a good price to trade it for MP240. Sometime later I bought a chrome refurbished M9M from Wetzlar. I was also on the waiting list for the (as then) unannounced M10M. I sold the refurbished M9M to fund the M10M and have absolutely no regrets - it is a far better camera. I use it almost exclusively with a 50mm APO and have since added a Q2M for the wider angle. Also purchased 49mm yellow and orange filters, plus a 39mm - 49mm step down ring so the filters can be used on the APO. On reflection, perhaps I should have waited to the 35mm APO before purchasing the Q2M, but the Q has other benefits. If you love black and white photography, you cannot go wrong with the M10M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted March 28, 2021 Share #13 Posted March 28, 2021 No regrets thus far. Maybe the next interesting question is: was it worth the trade-in if you changed from M9M to M10M? Given the purpose OP mentions: street and rural photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted March 28, 2021 Share #14 Posted March 28, 2021 No regrets at all - I had the M10 which I used less and less and the M9M which I loved but whose lack of Liveview for varied lenses I found limiting; sold them both to be able to afford the M10M. I do very occasionally need colour for portraits so I bought an SL601 for that when they came right down in price. The combination works very well - the M10M is a wonderful camera. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 28, 2021 Share #15 Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, didier said: ..Some people here are talking about the coming M11, personally I don’t wait, I just don’t really see what could be improved... Didier The only improvement I can think of would be a BSI sensor with ISO 100,000 capability. That would be a nice improvement. Still, waiting for the perfect M camera is not a good strategy. Live now, photograph now. People grow old and die waiting for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow we call perfection, which turns out to be an illusion. Edited March 28, 2021 by Herr Barnack 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted March 28, 2021 Share #16 Posted March 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: Live now, photograph now. +1 👍 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 28, 2021 Share #17 Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, chasdfg said: I find the files out of camera contrasty too, a bit much for my taste, but no issue here as you can do a lot to the files anyway. I set the LCD to display images at lower contrast (I think under the jpeg settings, which applies to the previews even if I only shoot DNG) to get a preview closer to how I would eventually process it. A tone curve adjustment (moderate ‘S’ shape) was eventually added to LR import, likely in response to initial user complaints about ‘flat’ files (the M9M files import with linear tone curve, giving the impression of flatter contrast out-of-camera compared to the M10M). This is easily reset in PP to linear contrast, or to anything else, either manually adjusting the curve or sliders, and also by using preset/default import setting. Jeff Edited March 28, 2021 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caloosajo Posted March 28, 2021 Share #18 Posted March 28, 2021 No regrets. Reliably sharp at 1/125 when I’m in aperture priority. 50 Lux ASPH and now 28 Cron ASPH v2 wide open softens the high-res “look” but that can also be called upon at a moment’s notice. Tonality in general and with intentional motion blur is so much richer than M10 B&W conversions. Editing in LR is actually enjoyable, and I’m really pleased with my prints so far. It really is like a pocket medium format camera, though hasn’t nudged my Hasselblad out of favor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasdfg Posted March 29, 2021 Share #19 Posted March 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Jeff S said: A tone curve adjustment (moderate ‘S’ shape) was eventually added to LR import, likely in response to initial user complaints about ‘flat’ files (the M9M files import with linear tone curve, giving the impression of flatter contrast out-of-camera compared to the M10M). This is easily reset in PP to linear contrast, or to anything else, either manually adjusting the curve or sliders, and also by using preset/default import setting. Jeff All my presets for the M10M have adjusted curves to my liking (I don't apply them by default though). Displaying lower contrast for the display in-camera doesn't change the output/files on import but it does give me a representation of my final output when I'm out and about as the LCD displayed images are also too contrasty for me (which has nothing to do with and cannot be tweaked by LR import or PP as it is just the display in-camera) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted March 29, 2021 Share #20 Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 10:26 PM, LeicaTobin said: Is 1/180 hand held possible with sharp images handheld? I am on the fence about buying one, but I worry with the flash that I use at 400 Iso and 1/180, the huge megapixel size might not be high enough shutter speeds for sharp images. Tobin Don't worry, be happy...😁 FYR -- ISO 800, ƒ/5.6, 1/45, without tripod, no EVF, no live view. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/319305-m10m-any-regrets/?do=findComment&comment=4169967'>More sharing options...
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