Guest Nowhereman Posted February 25, 2021 Share #41 Posted February 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) ^ ^ The critical thing for me is whether you need the Adobe software to be compatible with what other people are using. As far as I'm concerned in trying to produce a photobook Indesign is, in that you can send an "Indesign package" to a printshop or a lithographer and they can go straight to their imposition software. Otherwise, one could use alternatives to PS and LR. _______________________Frog Leaping photobook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted February 25, 2021 Share #42 Posted February 25, 2021 But the concern apparently centers around the Adobe cost. Are all these alternative software packages free? If not we can debate software design and use, and not dismiss Adobe plans as money grabbing. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share #43 Posted February 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Ten bucks a month for essentially same as desktop (former standalone) versions. Backup options are plentiful and not expensive. Presumably you’ll need to buy replacement software, right? Jeff No, because I already own the desktop versions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 25, 2021 Share #44 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, andybarton said: No, because I already own the desktop versions. Works if one doesn’t need camera/lens updates, all the new controls (global and local) and features, and one isn’t concerned with operating system compatibility. No thanks for me...a bargain at 10 bucks or more... but to each his/her own. Jeff Edited February 25, 2021 by Jeff S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share #45 Posted February 25, 2021 Well, I won't be buying a new camera or lenses, so that's not an issue. If the software becomes incompatible with any new OS that turns up, then maybe I will need to reconsider. Until then, Adobe can whistle for my £20. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 25, 2021 Share #46 Posted February 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, andybarton said: It's not that necessarily, it's whether that subscription offers value for money. For £20/month Adobe rent you two major bits of software, neither of which are better than the desktop versions, and 1TB of cloud storage pus a load of other software that most people wouldn't use. In today's world, that is poor value for money. Correction: Photoshop 2021 IS massively better than Photoshop 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 25, 2021 Share #47 Posted February 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 34 minutes ago, jaapv said: Correction: Photoshop 2021 IS massively better than Photoshop 6. And the current LR Classic is far more capable than 6.14, especially local controls. So much so, that I can meet most needs without migrating to PS as was my common practice a while ago. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 25, 2021 Share #48 Posted February 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Nowhereman said: ^ A "tenner"? I grew up when a "fiver" meant something. Sadly, after decades of currency debasement, a tenner will now barely buy three takeaway coffees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamiel Posted February 27, 2021 Share #49 Posted February 27, 2021 Hi Andy, It is a very understandable decision. Have you considered a different raw-converter where you can still buy a stand-alone version like for example Capture One Pro? (that is what I did) Regards, Kamiel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald M Posted February 27, 2021 Share #50 Posted February 27, 2021 In the end it boils down to: which package is easiest to use and gives the best results for you, as hardly any software is for free. If you can live with a package without any or only a few updates that will of course be cheapest. If you want your regular updates Capture 1, LR/PS or ON1 are about the same price yearly. Or you could choose for open source software like RawTherapee, which is for free and has regular updates. The results are very good, but there is a learning curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceVentura1986 Posted February 27, 2021 Share #51 Posted February 27, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 7:16 AM, jaapv said: But - the newest version has been hugely improved over time, in noise and sharpening, colour management and colour grading - and you cannot upgrade to those improvements. (and the upgrades would have been more expensive than your subscription over the years) BTW, the only online bit I use is moving photographs from my phone into my PC/Laptops system by LR Mobile (free) I’m sure it’s been improved and I’m also sure I’ll eventually have to move over to it, especially after I migrate to the new Apple MX silicon as I see no other option. Still, it really rubs me the wrong way. For now, tho, Lr 6x is sufficient for my needs as my leicas and canons are all over 5 years old. Even my brand new canon 5Ds is an old design that’s supported by Lr 6x. I’ve got my technique and procedures down so Lr 6x works for me, at least today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 27, 2021 Share #52 Posted February 27, 2021 Don’t make a mistake. I’ve reworked some old M8 shots and there is a very clear improvement in the postprocessing results. They are cleaner, crisper and better colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted February 27, 2021 Share #53 Posted February 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Donald M said: hardly any software is for free Free - macOS, Linux, Open Office, Raw Therapee, Darktable, GIMP, VMWare Fusion (Player Edition), Scribus, Nik Collection (used to be free), almost all Nikon image processing software, etc, etc. These are all very usable applications. 2 hours ago, Donald M said: there is a learning curve And there is no learning curve with Photoshop? I am still learning after 15 years using it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 27, 2021 Share #54 Posted February 27, 2021 47 minutes ago, AceVentura1986 said: I’m sure it’s been improved and I’m also sure I’ll eventually have to move over to it, especially after I migrate to the new Apple MX silicon as I see no other option. Still, it really rubs me the wrong way. For now, tho, Lr 6x is sufficient for my needs as my leicas and canons are all over 5 years old. Even my brand new canon 5Ds is an old design that’s supported by Lr 6x. I’ve got my technique and procedures down so Lr 6x works for me, at least today. I echo Jaap’s counterpoint, having reprocessed and reprinted pics (b/w and color) showing clear improvement from 6.14. Plus the new controls (dehaze, texture, etc), and the many more adjustment tools that can be applied on a localized basis rather than just blunt global actions, allow the workflow to better mimic darkroom refinements, with much more flexibility and convenience. And the program runs fast despite using an old Mac Pro and adding 47MP files from my SL2. The noticeable refinements and improvements from the first LR versions to 6.14 weren’t free, so for me it’s reasonable to expect similar costs associated with these more recent upgrades. And Photoshop is also now included with the 10 bucks a month. Roughly the same end cost, just spread out. Of course we should each choose whatever works best for our needs and styles. I wouldn’t go back to LR6 even if new camera and lens support were added. Jeff 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share #55 Posted February 27, 2021 When your subscription with Adobe ends, and you open up Lr on your iPhone, you can literally watch your photographs disappear before your eyes. Slightly worrying, but I do have two local backups of everything. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted February 27, 2021 Share #56 Posted February 27, 2021 Well done Andy. I applaud your decision. I hate the subscription model. I get that for some there might be a sufficient degree of measurable difference with updated tools in later versions (though I'd like to see that, simply as a matter of curiosity), but for me as a happy amateur CS6 works just great. It is a simple value equation. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf1960Mono Posted February 27, 2021 Share #57 Posted February 27, 2021 vor 4 Stunden schrieb andybarton: When your subscription with Adobe ends, and you open up Lr on your iPhone, you can literally watch your photographs disappear before your eyes. Slightly worrying, but I do have two local backups of everything. Not a single photo will just disappear. LR doesn’t store photos in it’s catalogue. The photos are always exactly where you did store them. LR is just a database that stores your development etc. Your original photos stay untouched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 27, 2021 Share #58 Posted February 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, Ralf1960Mono said: Not a single photo will just disappear. LR doesn’t store photos in it’s catalogue. The photos are always exactly where you did store them. LR is just a database that stores your development etc. Your original photos stay untouched. Not if you have chosen to store them all in the Adobe CC cloud. As I posted earlier, this was the step I took, in order to have access to them wherever I was. Trying to use both LR CC and LR Classic CC to manage them ended up in a conflict that saw photos being deleted, also before my eyes (I can't explain it, but it happened - I saw the recorded number of images in my catalogue reducing one by one). Fortunately I had already made a local backup for just such an eventuality. Once I stopped using LR Classic CC in parallel with LR CC, that problem ended - though, as I explained then, other problems remained. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf1960Mono Posted February 28, 2021 Share #59 Posted February 28, 2021 So that‘s another issue. But still nothing will just disappear only because you end your subscription. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 28, 2021 Share #60 Posted February 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ralf1960Mono said: So that‘s another issue. But still nothing will just disappear only because you end your subscription. When I ended my subscription for 2Tb of online storage, of course I had planned the retrieval of all my images from the cloud, but I can't remember if Adobe warned me of the risk, or if it encouraged me to download them - and who knows what would have happened if I ended the subscription and didn't download. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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