Snipe10 Posted February 13, 2021 Share #1 Posted February 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I want to buy an M10-P, almost $8K new, $5500ish with a warranty from some dealers used. Anything wrong with saving $2500? I usually buy new as I like that, I'm the first one to own this thing feeling, but for $2500, I don't know. Here's two from Tamarkin, anyone know what year of production the 533 and 532 serial numbers are from? Seems like a deal. Leica M10-P Black Chrome, Nr. 533xxxx, with charger set, battery, strap and one-year warranty, Ex+ $5,750Leica M10-P Silver Chrome, Nr. 532xxxx, complete in box with one-year warranty, Ex+ $5,650 I'm not experienced at all with the camera and don't know if something changed from whatever year these were made to the 2020 model. Also don't know if there are any quirks or things that can go wrong easily as if I'm going to have to send back the used one, even under warranty, I'd rather buck up the extra $2K-$2500. Thanks much Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Miranda Posted February 13, 2021 Share #2 Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Snipe10 said: I want to buy an M10-P, almost $8K new, $5500ish with a warranty from some dealers used. Anything wrong with saving $2500? I usually buy new as I like that, I'm the first one to own this thing feeling, but for $2500, I don't know. Here's two from Tamarkin, anyone know what year of production the 533 and 532 serial numbers are from? Seems like a deal. Leica M10-P Black Chrome, Nr. 533xxxx, with charger set, battery, strap and one-year warranty, Ex+ $5,750Leica M10-P Silver Chrome, Nr. 532xxxx, complete in box with one-year warranty, Ex+ $5,650 I'm not experienced at all with the camera and don't know if something changed from whatever year these were made to the 2020 model. Also don't know if there are any quirks or things that can go wrong easily as if I'm going to have to send back the used one, even under warranty, I'd rather buck up the extra $2K-$2500. Thanks much I purchased my M10 (3 years back) used from B&H, condition 9+, on arrival, it looked new, all boxes, manuals, etc, and I saved a good deal of money. I can't speak for most camera stores, but in the past, when buying something 9+ or open box from B&H has been really positive in terms of the item looking practically brand new. May make sense to understand your camera store's return or exchange warranty, that may help with your decision. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 13, 2021 Share #3 Posted February 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, Snipe10 said: I want to buy an M10-P, almost $8K new, $5500ish with a warranty from some dealers used. Anything wrong with saving $2500? I usually buy new as I like that, I'm the first one to own this thing feeling, but for $2500, I don't know. Here's two from Tamarkin, anyone know what year of production the 533 and 532 serial numbers are from? Seems like a deal. Leica M10-P Black Chrome, Nr. 533xxxx, with charger set, battery, strap and one-year warranty, Ex+ $5,750Leica M10-P Silver Chrome, Nr. 532xxxx, complete in box with one-year warranty, Ex+ $5,650 I'm not experienced at all with the camera and don't know if something changed from whatever year these were made to the 2020 model. Also don't know if there are any quirks or things that can go wrong easily as if I'm going to have to send back the used one, even under warranty, I'd rather buck up the extra $2K-$2500. Thanks much The M10-P which i own and think its the best digital M after having owned the the M9, M9P, M240, M240P and the M246 is at the end of its production life cycle. Don't throw away your money by buying it new. Whats important is that (a) you buy it with a Leica warranty and (b) all other things being equal buy the highest serial number you can find. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2021 Share #4 Posted February 13, 2021 M 262 body new M 262 body used Zeiss 35mm f1.4 distagon new Leica 50mm f2 summicrom V 5 used Leica 90mm tele-elmarit used Voigtlander 21mm f1.4 new Zeiss 25mm f2.8 used. I always use reputable dealers in the UK Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrostl Posted February 13, 2021 Share #5 Posted February 13, 2021 Nothing wrong with it! And the M10/P have gotten into relatively palatable price ranges. A third way between used and new is PopFlash's "demo" units. Leica will stop supplying to dealers who discount their new products. It can count as "used" by simply opening and closing the box, though I have bought many things from them many times, including my trusty M10. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted February 13, 2021 Share #6 Posted February 13, 2021 with the first own scratch you find your peace 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted February 13, 2021 Share #7 Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) SL2, M10, M10-P, Q - all bought used from private sellers, no issues. I wouldn't pay full retail for M10-P today. Tamarkin is good and prices shown in op's post are reasonable for a dealer esp. with 1-yr warranty. Even M10-R "demo" units are available for less than retail with Leica warranty. As mentioned in one of the posts above, they are new but dealers can't sell for below retail, so they are marked as demo/mint. You can actually get demo M10-R for less than retail price of M10-P. Edited February 13, 2021 by ravinj Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knipsknecht Posted February 13, 2021 Share #8 Posted February 13, 2021 After learning the tough way that one will easily make a big loss if buying new and then recognizing that an expensive tool wasn't meant for oneself I always buy used. Especially when it comes to photography there are so many GAS driven people who buy constantly new cameras and lenses and sell them after just a few shots in an almost new condition. Buying new includes a certain "being the first one to use this thing" tax. And the higher the price, the higher this tax (think of cars). I bought from local camera shops as well as from Ebay or forums like this one. The one thing you have to keep in mind is, don't let your actions be lead by the "I want this now! habit. Try to stay cool headed and be extra skeptical if an offer looks or sounds just too good. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
feelssadman Posted February 13, 2021 Share #9 Posted February 13, 2021 No, absolutely nothing wrong with buying used. Make sure to get a good look at it, test it if possible and be familiar with the return policy from the store you buy it from. Sure, you never know what exactly happened to the camera before the owner decided to sell it and if not having that insecurity is worth $2500 to you then by all means, get the new one but usually people take care of their Leica equipment so I wouldn't worry that much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted February 13, 2021 Share #10 Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, John Miranda said: but in the past, when buying something 9+ or open box from B&H has been really positive in terms of the item looking practically brand new. Experience may vary. In my cases (multiple), the "open box 9+" lenses I bought second hand from them were many times returns of decentered lenses (not Leica) that original buyers simply refused and sent back, the store having them immediatelly put up on the site behind the USED tab and sold as open box. I even called them to inquire why and the guy on the other side said "Sir, this is a professional item. Are you sure you know how to use it?" lol. It only took 17 seconds for the return label to be in my email inbox after this conversation. As with anything though, in 80% of the cases all will be fine. ALL my Leica gear was bought second hand. I have this funny rule ATM. Edited February 13, 2021 by Al Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted February 13, 2021 Share #11 Posted February 13, 2021 Me too, all my gear it's used... With consumerism at its peak these days you can literally find anything in the used market, the Q2Mono was already on eBay after only 10 days of its release! I think it's bonkers to buy those 'latest and greatest' camera brand new as there are new models coming out so often.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 14, 2021 Share #12 Posted February 14, 2021 A one year warranty would certainly give me confidence in buying a used M10-P. I bought mine used but with no warranty for about the same price you're finding. It's performed flawlessly for six months. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtoleica Posted February 14, 2021 Share #13 Posted February 14, 2021 cameras like cars I never buy new. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 14, 2021 Share #14 Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/13/2021 at 3:49 AM, Steve Ash said: with the first own scratch you find your peace I'm very peaceful. I've stopped noticing the scratches. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snipe10 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share #15 Posted February 14, 2021 pgk, Wish I could even just visit a Scottish Island these days! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted February 15, 2021 Share #16 Posted February 15, 2021 Those are great prices... and with a one year warranty!.. I do wonder how much they (the dealers) paid for those cameras. Someone took a great hit methinks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted February 15, 2021 Share #17 Posted February 15, 2021 The M10R happened. As well as all the other new cameras. A lot of people who were enticed by the higher resolution sold their M10's for the newer model. It is also a year where a huge number of people have either lost their jobs or had their earnings severely impacted, even if that did not happen to quite as many people who tend to buy Leicas. Buying used is smart and generally has very little if any downside for Leica cameras bought from reliable sources. Leica still services bodies and tends to be more generous with warranties and repairs than some companies, though they are not always perfect. Lenses are even better to buy used, assuming you have the option to test them. They generally have few moving parts and if they are in good condition, they tend to last a long time. I am still using a beat up 135mm Tele-Elmar M that I bought in 2004 for 250 dollars. It is still sharp enough for 47mp even wide open. At the time, the 135mm APO Telyt M that replaced it was around 2500 dollars I think...10 times the price. I tend to buy new when used is not available or sufficiently discounted. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 15, 2021 Share #18 Posted February 15, 2021 12 hours ago, Snipe10 said: pgk, Wish I could even just visit a Scottish Island these days! Not been on the mainlad for about a year. Can't say it bothers me that much. I suspect huge visitor numbers again when its finally possible though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMM1 Posted February 16, 2021 Share #19 Posted February 16, 2021 The only photographic gear that I ever bought "new" was a limited edition Black Chrome 50mm Summilux asph. for $4,000 USD when they came out a few years ago. There were only 500 made and I'll never sell it. One of the reasons that I bought it was because it has a scalloped focus ring which I prefer that to the tab focusing. As mentioned above ^ ...."cameras and cars I never buy new"... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P1505 Posted February 19, 2021 Share #20 Posted February 19, 2021 Sorry to hijack but are there any years to avoid with the M10? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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